Brexit 2019 and Poland

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The EU is a Threat to Democracy - Jacob Rees-Mogg

A threat to his increasing income and wealth certainly, since he would make a hell of a lot of money if 'brexit' happened.

You omitted to mention that Rees-Mogg (I can't help calling him Lloyd-James for the obvious reason) is an advocate of privatising healthcare, removing the Working Time Directive and slashing disability benefits.

Take it easy, me old fruit, me old flower :)) I just meant that there isn't likely to be any breakthrough until after Easter. I think after that there will be a bit of a surge of activity and I actually think Brexit will be resolved within the six month extension period. How it's resolved is another matter of course.

Ah yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg, hardly a statesman, more of an ignorant, arrogant fool.

His solution to the Irish border problem?

"There would be our ability, as we had during The Troubles, to have people inspected. It's not a border that everyone has to go through every day, but of course, for security reasons, during The Troubles, we kept a very close eye on the border to try and stop gun-running and things like that," he said.

He also says that if the UK leaves without a deal - who is the culprit?? Not the UK of course, not the EU - no, the main culprit is the Irish government. Yes, that's right. The failure of Brexit is Ireland's fault.

Crnomgorac, you're as ignorant as he is and as daft as a brush to boot. Where exactly do they train people like you?? Do you actually have access to any history books, not written by a man with prodigious eyebrows (you know the type) and epaulettes the size of Belgium? Do you actually realize that you know nothing about anything?

No elections have ever been decided in the UK by illegal funding, at least not since Hogarth's time but there have been many prosecutions and a number of bye elections in certain seats over the years. In fact there is a high profile case on at the moment re the 2015 elections and efforts to use illegal funding to keep farage out of parliament.

The difference in this case is that the margin of victory is so small that the funding was a major factor and some of it seems to have come from foreign powers. Personally I don't think it is reason to set the referendum aside - it should never have been close in the first place - but absolutely the people who engaged in this fraud, some of whom want to be Prime Minister, should be prosecuted and prison should be considered, not just fines.

Nancy Pelosi is visiting Ireland today and has said that there will be no UK/USA trade deal if the Good Friday Agreement is not respected. That means the Backstop definitely stays and there can be no change to the Withdrawal Agreement. Not that there was likely to be anyway, but it might help to clarify to people like Jacob Rees Mogg that the border is sacrosanct.

"Let me be clear if the Brexit deal undermines the Good Friday Accord, there will be no chance of a US-UK trade agreement," she said.

Hopefully there will never be such a deal.


One of the better ones. Time to kill 'brexit' dead.

That is the most dangerous option of all.
UK democracy, or what is left of it, will die.
We have no option but to leave now, even if on extremely unfavourable terms.

That's why a second referendum makes the most sense. I'd even go further and say that it should be legally binding - hold a Remain/Leave vote on one Thursday, and if the result is to Leave, then a second question should be put to voters: Deal/No Deal. The referendum law should be written so that if a Leave vote wins, then the country will immediately leave the EU following the Deal/No Deal vote. No excuses, just get the choice out there and see what happens.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the EU elections, especially as it seems that the parties haven't really divided into clear Remain/Leave camps, with the exception of parties like the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the SDLP.

Or revoke, since fraud was proven, or a real referndum, or at worst EEA.


Democracy means you can change your mind.

No it doesn't, it just shows people that their votes are worthless.


Democracy means that you do what the people voted for.
After you have done that, then you can change your mind.

Sorry guys, but if we don't implement the result of the 2016 referendum there will be a huge disillusionment in the British public's faith in our democracy.Which could lead to extremist parties gaining influence.

Not a price worth paying for a European dream that is on the verge of failure anyway.

Or that a manipulated fraudulent election is not democracy.


"Will be". There is alrewady due to the Tories and f*cking Corbyn being hell bent on damaging the country further on the basis of their own prejudice and a feaudulent 'referendum'

The threat of bad behaviour by extremists must not be allowed to compromise common sense. Did you hear Betty Boothroyd's speech on this?

Since the leftists are not genetically capable of shame and accepting the outcomes - just they did in "America" - the referendum should be repeated until they get the result they are clearly entitled to. If you don't let them have it their way, they will overload your mental health clinics, and be hard to deal with when they grow up.

What did the people vote for ? No deal ?

All a bunch of A$$holes, now taking a well earned break lol.

Judging by the polls showing the popularity of The Brexit Party, yes.

It was always made clear (even by the lying 'leave' campaign) that no-deal was an impossibility.

That is just not true.
Or you weren't listening to the Leave debate.
No deal was always on the cards, but leavers were overly confident about their chances of getting a deal.
For what it's worth, I never expected any deal or concessions from The EU.
But I do have some insight into the "Continental EU mentality". :-)

It will be seriously damaged the moment when Farage and his Brexit Party win. The clown lied to the British people and then simply disappeared. Too busy to collect his pension from Brussels and obtaining German citizenship. The disadvantages of Brexit are for others, not for him. And that's what you Brits are voting for?

Huge swing in the local elections for the LibDems - because they are the Remain Party. Says it all really. After this week things will be clearer (been saying that for 6 months now!) when the inter-party talks on a compromise fail, as they surely must.

I think you are reading it wrong Doug.
This was a vote AGAINST The Tories and Labour because of their failure to deliver on Brexit.
People voted en masse for The Lib Dems and Independents because there was nobody else.
UKIP have gone too right wing and The Brexit Party did not stand.
Also, thousands of spoilt papers with the word BREXIT written across them.
If The EU elections go ahead, expect a Brexit Party landslide.

Well yes, because only 25/30 percent bother to vote in EU elections, and those voters obviously feel strongly about the subject. Actually Labour and the Brexit Party were neck and neck until Corbyn and Gardiner et al put the kybosh on Labour chances by refusing to move to the centre ground.

Which is back where Labour will have to go to be elected as it is no longer the party of the working class.

Exactly.

Just read the british Lib-Dems are the big winner in the british local elections...and they are pro EU, aren't they.

On the other hand Tories and Labour lost big...even anti-EU Ukip lost...

Well, as Miloslaw points out, you could read it two ways. The official line is that the voters are fed up with Brexit not being delivered so they are punishing the Tories and Labour.

I prefer the version which is less complicated, which is that people are happy with good local candidates, who live in the area, and who are not part of big party politics, and also who happen to back Remain for the most part.

Those who learnt when they were children to stamp their feet when they didn't get their own way spoilt their ballot paper.

So....even as the pro-Brexit parties lost big it's still a sign that mood in the land is pro-Brexit?

What a spin by the media....

The opposite BB. Polls (such as they are) show that the majority are narrowly Remain. Only God knows what's going to happen. All this time I was certain that Brexit wouldn't happen, but these idiot politicians are constantly looking to their meal ticket and "The will of the people." Meaning that they intend to go through with it if they can. Luckily there are so many factions that there is no majority in parliament for anything, which hopefully still indicates that the status quo exists and that the UK will remain.

Almost certainly, and it's going to be a bloodbath for both big parties. I'd expect a lot of Remainers to vote for the Lib Dems/Greens out of frustration, and a lot of Leavers will go to the Brexit Party for the same reason. I wouldn't be shocked right now if the Tories and Labour end up 3rd/4th in this election.

So people want a quicker Brexit and decide that the way to do it is to vote for the only party who has an explicit Anti Brexit stance ?

Doesn't make a lot of sense but then with many Brexit voters being either senile or dumb I suppose anything is possible.

McDonnell ( Labour chancellor) says today on UK's leading political round up TV show that May can go fukk herself as to all party agreement.

Confirmatory vote it is then! And that's all that sane people want.
All this talk of "democracy" - when all of society knows full well that a true democracy is beyond the reach of the collective human psyche.