Brexit 2019 and Poland

And that is where you have been duped.
It is not a status quo at all, it is a leap into the unknown.......... just like leaving... :-)

No - it is a walk not a leap. Whatever happens in the EU there is no cliff edge March 29th and any steps would be subject to negotiations and votes in which Britain would have had an important voice and in many cases a veto or an opt out.

Oh yeah?
Just remind me how many times The EU have listened to us when we voted against something......... I am waiting......

I looked into it....

Official EU voting records show that the British government has voted 'No' to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted 'Yes' 2,466 times since 1999.

itv.com/news/update/2016-06-09/fact-check-britain-outvoted-more-than-other-countries-in-eu/

In other words, UK ministers were on the "winning side" 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%.

There is lotsa more interesting info about Britain in the EU:

fullfact.org/europe/control/

Here is more;

theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/nov/02/is-uk-winner-or-loser-european-council

Wow...compare the times between 2004 and 2009 and then again between 2009 and 2015!

And that:


is abit surprising!

Yes,The UK have been drawing away from Europe in recent years.

Often the threat of a veto stops things being put to a vote so Britian's influence was more than even those links state.

Significant things they stopped - the 2011 fiscal Union, the EU army, the financial transaction tax. Add to that the exemptions on the social chapter, ache gen and Euro membership. No other country was given such beneficial treatment except maybe France.

Shame that Milo's suspended, I would like to hear his views on the latest poll in the UK:

34%: Brexit Party
16%: Labour
15%: Liberal Democrats
11%: Greens
10%: Conservatives
5%: Change UK

Two ways of looking at it, but it seems that the Tories are headed for a spectacular and unheard of defeat. The other thing: how to interpret this poll in terms of Remain/Leave?

That's easy Delph. The European elections mean zilch. What do UK EU MPs do anyway, but give speeches and rant and rave? Budgets are allotted. EU directives are passed, etc etc.

Only the UK parliament elections matter, and Rees Mogg daren't rock the boat on that. If there were a GE tomorrow. The Brexit Party would win 50 seats off the Tories and hand it to Corby.

Second Referendum here we come.

@Dougpol1
The elections are a referendum and currently 34% are voting out

Nothing to do with that peterweg. In the latest poll of polls 54 percent of the electorate want to stay in the EU. This is an election for MPs for the European parliament. The two polls are mutually exlusive.

It's interesting how quickly the EU's biggest supporters admit how meaningless many of its activities are...

The European Parliament has always had problems with legitimacy because of how the EU was structured. If you ask me, the European Council should only be convened for seriously big decisions (such as expansion/signing of association agreements), the European Commission should be appointed by a majority of the European Parliament and the European Parliament should be solely responsible for passing legislation. Elections would then be of fundamental importance, and individual member states wouldn't be able to block legislation.

Coming from a Yank. With an agenda for a weak Europe.

I think add together Brexit Party and Tories and the 44 percent is probably about the level of pro Brexit sentiment - maybe a few percent for UKIP too

I am glad there is the Brexit party standing on hard Brexit - it allows the other parties to adopt a sensible position and there is an option for the true Brexit believers

After May's speech today , a second referendum is much, much closer. 70/30 in fact.
Brexit ain't gonna happen you folks. Sorry to disappoint.

I think all bets are off, personally.

You are so wrong....


You too...... thursdays vote will change everything.

How? Do you understand how MEP voting works? It is never replicated in a UK General Election. The European elections have always been a vehicle in the UK for "Conservatives" and the vote to the European parliament has little bearing on domestic policy.

I am shocked that you don't realise this Miloslaw.

I am shocked that you can't see the revolution that is happening in The UK Doug.

What? The Brexit Party? Rolling on the floor laughing.
The Tories dare not have a General Election. Labour would be a shoe-in EVEN with clown Corbyn in charge. Is that the revolution you're referring to? Without the unobtainable proportional representation electoral system the Brexit Party would all likelyhood get 25 seats max.

youtube.com/watch?v=0TKobhjBoMc
Now to cap it all:
British steel is finally on the verge of collapse. 5,000 jobs on the line. Brexit uncertainity to blame according to the company. How many more jobs will go? And where does Boris plan to boost the economy? We can't all be financial services advisors or IT bods working from home with a Peugeot 405 in the drive and Kim Basinger in the bedroom (RE: the classic UK 1980s TV advert)

theguardian.com/business/2019/may/21/british-steel-administration-jobs-government-loan

25,000 jobs is what they are saying now.
The great irony of this situation is that British Steel asked for a government bailout which could not be given, because we are in The EU.

I am not sure that bailing out a failing company is a good idea.
But as a free,sovereign state, we could have done it if we wanted to.
But in The EU it is not even an option.
And people try to tell us how great The EU is????

Yes they could be bailed out after Brexit - but obviously any steel they made can only be exported to the EU after paying large tariffs. Which is the reason for rhe uncertainty in the first place

Now with May gone the **** really hits the fan and lets see what Labour are made of and how Brexit can now be stopped. Popcorn sellers everywhere are rubbing their hands in glee.

I would love to see a straight fight between Watson and Boris, but can't see B. Johnson being elected, rather Raab (tosser though he be) and unfortunately Remain then have a problem, with there being no credible opposition in the House of Commons to the Tory Scum.

There is no credible opposition but also no credible govt and I don't think Boris would have the votes to form one. It only needs 3 of their MPs to defect or go independent and that will mean no majority. In reality I think there are probably 30 or so who can't stand the guy.

That might be so but they are not going to hand the keys to Downing street to Corbyn so jumping ship just now , more's the pity. There will be no defections, you can count on that.

PS: That the "30 or so....." is reason 43 why Johnson has about chance of being elected as PM as I have.

If they do, I am moving in with you Doug.... :-)

Merged:

May out by June!

Any thoughts on the BREXIT stalemate?

Im going with BOJO for the next PM, he was born in New York just like Trump! And that will make him the first YankPM! He kinda looks like Trump too:)

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