Brexit 2019 and Poland

I don't think you've been following Brexit very closely - the NI Unionists have refused to agree to that as it puts a border between two parts of the UK and thus affects their "Britishness". And the DUP (the chief Unionist party of NI) is propping up the Tory government. Quite apart from the DUP, Loyalist paras will as I said before, come out of the long grass if a border goes up between NI and mainland Britain.


But it won't work - and you do understand don't you, that this is not just about people? It's about goods and livestock. You can't have uncontrolled livestock. The agri-food industry is huge in Ireland. Simon Coveney the deputy Irish PM has said "Physical inspections, animal inspections have to be done somewhere. The backstop proposes that they be done at the ports, the ports in Northern Ireland. That is the right and best place for them."

But - the DUP have, naturally, rejected that approach, which would require British consent, saying it puts up new trade barriers within the UK.

They will have to be persuaded to change their minds.
There is no other choice, unless The EU kick out ROI from The EU.

Don't you know, there's no mechanism for kicking anyone out of the EU. That's how come Hungary and Poland can carry on as they please and the best the EU can do is send them to the naughty step/time out chair.

Specifics please.
All of the directives deal with such as business practicers, human rights, the common agricultural policy etc etc - all of which were agreed by member states and with which I heartily concur. Britain is a much better place than it was in 1973 - but you wouldn't know that.

UK legislation is just that. UK laws. You have been listening to right wing propaganda haven't you? :)


That would be the end of Union and lead to a United Ireland. I guess that's only right but would lead to a poorer UK. Does that suit?

LOL. You mean like Priti Patel, the new Home secretary said "We could stop sending foodstuffs to Ireland, so that the backstop would lose it's vital importance". aS in, we will force "them" to comply.

When clowns like her are part of government, then we really are in trouble.

Ah, yes - the British government denying the Irish food - sounds strangely familiar.....

I don't see why.
What is such a big deal about having a passport check?
As for goods, ROI main exports to The UK are pharma,organic chemicals and food and drink.
If the UK does not impose tarifs on any of those it will mean hardly any disruption.
As for goods going the other way, that is down to The EU.
All I see is negativity from you and Atch and no will to get on and get things done.
Brexit will happen so a solution has to be found.

@Doug, it's obvious that Milo is trolling - after all Boris says that Belfast is as British as Finchley so what's the problem with passport checks between Finchley and Hendon for example........actually I had a great idea, passport checks between the civilized South East and undesirable places like Sunderland and Newcastle with their 'singin' hinnies' and other vile and foreign Northern things. You're from "Newcastle, like" and want to go for a day out in Brighton and Hove? No problem, just show your passport :-D

I think Brexit will not happen because the financial PTB do not want it to happen...

BJ is already backtracking on a hard exit. He's playing Donald Trump's game of saying outlandish things that get progressives/remainers upset and then rams through policies that benefit the 1% (see proposed amnesty for illegal aliens)

Not at all.
You are just not willing to bend an inch and your comparison is puerile.
So you have *** pooed all my suggestions.
What is your suggestion to achieve Brexit and keep all the parties happy on the border issue?

She's already said she won't volunteer any suggestions and will only find fault with any proposed solutions - people who don't want a solution will not accept any solution....

Well then this discussion has been pointless..... no point discussing things with people that have closed minds.

Neither I, nor any Irish person, needs to suggest anything to achieve Brexit. Achieving Brexit is the job of those who instigated it - and I might add that the Withdrawal Agreement on offer from the EU was drawn up based on the restrictions/limits set by the UK.


All of the proposed solutions were already discussed and dismissed by all parties to the Brexit negotiations. The only thing left is the Withdrawal Agreement. That's the solution.

This is the full Brexit Kool-Aid - problems are the fault either of remainders or the EU, everything can be solved by telling people to suck it up and simple solutions that don't even stand five minute scrutiny. It is obvious that the UK is going to suffer far more than any other country . Visible at the moment by the tanking pound

aka all the drawbacks and none of the benefits of EU membership championed by a remainer...... that sounds disingenuous....

That is disingenuous.......


You will be very unhappy this Halloween...... I will be having a party!

Anyway, discussion over with you.

LOL!!!

We used the same word at the same time to describe Atch.

Must be some truth in it.........

Spoken like a DUP member. You're not Arlene Foster are you? She does look remarkably masculine, quite scary in certain lighting conditions. Let's hope there isn't a return to violence. The sight of the already unlovely Arlene kitted out in full metal jacket would be deeply disturbing.

Revoke. That is the solution.


Why Miloslaw? When Jonson talks of odds of a million to one, he has no chance of exiting the EU on that date, as well you know. Please don't make me laugh. I've already spilled my coffee once this morning.

Totally agree, but for those who want to persist with Brexit, they have their 'solution' already. They just can't accept it.

Again, I don't think it's going to happen because the capital class doesn't want it to. As I've said (often) voting in the west is more and more an empty ceremony about choosing who will implement policies decided by others.

It would be interesting to see Corbyn as PM and see how little he would actually be able to do... the revolution is over and the people lost (just not everyone realizes it yet).

It is not disingenuous - in her Lancaster house speech may set out three red lines including control of the borders, leaving the customs union and no hard border in Ireland. She did this without thinking through all of the implications and it was before she became reliant on the DUPD is votes.

Of course the withdrawal agreement is worse than full membership - why would Britain be offered a deal that was better than membership?

Yes, clearly people will never elect Corbyn. It's a pity he doesn't drink, because then he could be retired on health grounds. The best that can be hoped for is an anti Brexit coalition.

Corbyn as PM would be a disaster but it probably wont happen. He could only get power in a coalition and hopefully someone sensible in charge of the money ! even if he did end up getting elected then at least he could be voted out in 5 years.

Corbyn is wise. He love Serbians. Corbyn will give up some crazy British projects here in the region and that way save Brits from deeper agony.

Slightly off topic, but please leave it here until Atch has a chance to see it.

An example of accidentally telling the truth or 'taken out of context'?

Ireland wants more migrants to keep pay down.

independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html

This also explains BJ's flirting with amnesty.... the more low-skilled people in the country the less employers have to pay them...

There can be times (like arguably in Poland now with Ukrainians) that this can work as a transitional measure, but it stinks as long term policy...

You couldn't make it up......there are two sentences.
The first is idiotic.
And the second proves that the first one was wrong...... Ha Ha Ha!


Cheap labour is a short term plaster.
As you say, it stinks as a long term policy and is unsustainable.

The problem are the unionists - they don't want anything that would indicate lessening of ties with the rest of the UK. What was and is a sane compromise - NI staying in the Customs Union and maintaining the EU "four freedoms" - is a no-go for them. There's a strong argument that the GFA concept of consent applies here as well.

I'm all for telling the DUP to get lost, but then there's the question of loyalist paramilitaries who clearly haven't gone away. Would they destabilise the province again just because of some economic separation with the rUK?

Agreed, but I think you underestimate the Repuplicans.
IRA were far worse terrorists than UDF.
Ireland is a mess!
Has been for years..... and all of their own doing, though of course they will blame The Brits.....
Maybe The UK is better off dumping NI on The ROI but I don't think that will help anyone.
Atch wants a united Ireland.... I bet she will regret it if it ever happens, and it might.

Interesting day ahead with the Brecon by-election which could see Boris's majority cut to one! I checked it out and Brecon Radnorshire voted leave so if they now elect a remain candidate, that would be quite significant. I reckon Boris will lose his candidate there, because though the original leave voters may still want to leave, they don't want to leave without a deal, especially in rural Wales which would really suffer from no deal.


In NI politics Delph, everything is symbolic. It's not what something is, but what it represents that counts. Anything that undermines the "Union" and suggests that NI is not completely British is a no-no with the Loyalists.