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Brexit 2019 and Poland



Dougpol1
1 Aug 2019  #1351

I predict the Con man will get in again Atch. Very conservative, those hill farmers:(

Miloslaw
1 Aug 2019  #1352

I predict the Con man will get in again

I reckon The Lib Dems will win as their candidate has kept quiet about Brexit and the Brexit vote will be split between The Tory and Brexit parties.

Dougpol1
1 Aug 2019  #1353

Apparently the conservative incumbent is very popular in the manor, squire.

Miloslaw
1 Aug 2019  #1354

You may be right but 19,000 who signed to have him step down don't like him.

Dougpol1
1 Aug 2019  #1355

19,000

Didn't know that!
How did he vote in the house on BREXIT?

Miloslaw
1 Aug 2019  #1356

He's ERG..............

Ironside
1 Aug 2019  #1357

Well, lets wait till October and see what is gonna happen,

Dougpol1
1 Aug 2019  #1358

He's ERG

Gosh! A mini people's referendum 😂

Miloslaw
1 Aug 2019  #1359

It really is :-)

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1360

So....the mini referendum simply shows how divided the UK now is.
Well done Cameron, you twat.
The BREXIT party scupper Jonson's vote, and Labour collapses.
There is no clarity at all to be found here. Anything that helps to give the Tories sleepless nights ( if they ever had a conscience) is of course to be welcomed!

Miloslaw
2 Aug 2019  #1361

The BREXIT party scupper Jonson's vote, and Labour collapses.

But The Lib Dem only won by a tiny majority...........should The Tory ignore the will of the people and demand a people's vote? :-)

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1362

You could take the result any way....
New Prime Minister bump didn't work, but then again Labour are disentangling....clearly the Lib Dems are only Kingmakers in this, but we can see a Remain coalition forming here. Farage is too proud to remove his new party from the ballot box: it's popcorn time come September.

cms neuf
2 Aug 2019  #1363

Yes - if 20 percent of the constituents are unhappy with her then they could indeed recall her and have another election.

Given that the Tory calculator is a proven fraudster I am not sure that the result would be much different. Another candidate might have held the seat so good knows why they decided to persist with a thief.

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1364

Not defending him, but the bod wasn't a thief. He lost 500 pounds worth of invoices for business resource claims, that he was entitled to claim for.

He then faked the invoices. Stupid, not morally reprehensible.
He was selected because he was very popular locally. Probably anybody else would have lost by a bigger margin. Maybe...

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1365

should The Tory ignore the will of the people and demand a people's vote? :-)

Ha ha! Very good Milo! 😋

Miloslaw
2 Aug 2019  #1366

If you combine The Tory and Brexit votes they get 15,732.
Lib Dem and Labour combined is 15,506.
Leave wins but only by 226 votes.
There is nothing in it..............

mafketis
2 Aug 2019  #1367

He lost 500 pounds

What a normal, reasonably well-adjusted and functional adult does in that situation - You eat the loss and try to keep better track of receipts in the future.

What a blood-sucking lowlife tick does - Let's forge some invoices!

It reminds me of this story (one of my favorites of the century from the UK)

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bulgaria/1500653/11000-bill-for-couple-who-invented-a-Bulgarian-to-avoid-speeding-fine.html

Tried to avoid paying 120 pounds..... end up paying 11,000

Honesty people, it doesn't hurt.

delphiandomine
2 Aug 2019  #1368

There is nothing in it..............

A fair analysis: they went 51.86% / 48.14% for Leave in 2016, and in 2017, 21,380 (50.84%) for Tories/UKIP vs 20,677 (49.16%) for Lib Dems/Labour/Plaid. Now the gap is 50.22% vs 49.88%, so we can say that there's a swing of 1.76% to Remain.

Taken nationwide, it would mean 50.13% for Leave and 49.87% for Remain.

Nothing in it at all. There isn't a huge swing towards Remain, nor is there any clear support for No Deal.

The only clear thing is that there's no way Boris can call an election now, especially if the Lib Dems and Plaid are willing to put single Remain candidates in Wales and with the SNP riding high in Scotland.

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1369

The only clear thing is that there's no way Boris can call an election now,

Well, he wouldn't have anyway. It's clear there is no mandate for change, so a confident prediction is that the status quo will eventually prevail, and we will be staying in the European Union.

Miloslaw
2 Aug 2019  #1370

No Doug, that can't and won't happen.
One way or the other, either a very soft or a very hard Brexit, he has to take The UK out of The EU or else Democracy in The UK and his beloved Tory party are finished.

delphiandomine
2 Aug 2019  #1371

The UK

Milo, would you accept the end of the UK in exchange for England leaving the EU?

It seems to be that one way out of this mess for the Tories would be to do a deal with the SNP allowing for them to vote on independence in Holyrood without a referendum. Scotland leaves, the Tories have a solid majority and that's that.

Miloslaw
2 Aug 2019  #1372

Milo, would you accept the end of the UK in exchange for England leaving the EU?

That would not be the end of The UK.
Scotland will probably get another referendum at some point and if they vote to leave then that is up to them.I don't think you can take that decision without letting the Scottish people decide.

If they did, I would not want them to take a second "peoples vote" or undermine their decision, which is what some people are trying to do with Brexit.

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1373

, he has to take The UK out of The EU

Good luck with that in a remainer House.

Miloslaw
2 Aug 2019  #1374

Leaving is the legal default.
Nobody has come up with a way of getting around that yet.

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1375

Oh but they will Milo. That is a cast iron certainty. Timing is key, and 2 weeks of parliament will help to concentrate small minds

Miloslaw
2 Aug 2019  #1376

Oh but they will Milo.

Maybe, maybe not.
But don't underestimate Boris....... he doesn't like to lose.
We live in interesting times. :-)

Lyzko
2 Aug 2019  #1377

Trump and BJ seem indeed to have plenty in common; they're both con men:-)

Ziemowit
2 Aug 2019  #1378

But don't underestimate Boris

Boris ... what an un-English name! The only Boris that I know of is Boris Yeltsin of Russia.

Is he still alive and if so, is he sober or drunk?

Dougpol1
2 Aug 2019  #1379

Boris Yeltsin of Russia

He deserved to be addressed as Boris. Made the best of an impossible job and was brave as a lion.
Johnson, on the other hand, is the stereotypical buffoon, out of his depth, and wont last long

Miloslaw
2 Aug 2019  #1380

Underestimate him at your own peril.......


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