Brexit 2019 and Poland

Is this going to be the new "People vs Parliament" election? Ive heard bits and pieces, but they dont really tell much about whats happening in the UK over here.

It appears, that BOJO is starting to "Drain the Moat"


Who needs CNN when we have Lyzko....Go to bed! LOL

...that you are misinformed. Johnson has no mandate and will very soon not be able to govern, let alone leave the EU. If all else fails, conservative MPs will defect to the Lib Dems.

Yes we should never underestimate a man who crashes the currency deliberately and then sets up a war cabinet to deal with the risks

You're not kidding joker:) Most Americans think Paris is in Texas:)

Wrong its in Vegas across the street from Venice.

I take that as a compliment Johnny, thanks:-)

I'd be interested in people's thoughts on the first 13 or so minutes here where the topic is roughly "Ireland is the EU's b1tch"

most interesting part for me is that not only is the EU using Ireland but the handwriting is on the wall for Ireland to lose the ability to set its own corporate tax rates...

spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/how-the-eu-played-the-irish/

I will listen when I get a moment. The title isn't particulary inspiring - Ireland is actually the most pro-EU state of the 28. The data is out there to back up this simple fact.


A mostly excellent resource Maf - thanks a million!


What is the point of having 2 Johnson syncophants on the podcast? One of them should have been at least playing Devils' advocate. Instead we have student-like agreement with "absolutely" etc etc.

Poor journalism there, and just the right wing view. I know they are supporting the treatise of "Ireland, the EU's *****" - but they didn't prove anything of the sort., but to threaten that the EU would "shaft" Ireland down the line......all they did was suggest that the UK would be a better partner to Ireland than the EU would. Once an Irishman stops laughing, he would tell you which of the two entities he trusts more.

If I want right wing propaganda I can listen to Nick Ferrari or Nigel Farage on LBC. And at least there they allow challenge and discussion.

It's not journalism it's a podcast (which are by their nature opinionated and biased)

I think they have point in how people have the UK-Irish border backward... and that it is (or should be) deeply insulting to insinuate that the Irish are bunch of violent louts who'll take up arms again at the slightest provocation...

And I hadn't thought of the Irish corporate tax issue - after some googling it's clearly been under attack and that's not going to stop, my favorite was this headline:

Usually politicians talk about 'defending something' to get their constituents used to the idea of losing it....

echolive.ie/corknews/Billy-Kelleher-determined-to-defend-corporate-tax-6529abd4-812c-41f2-8c46-a9b123b504b7-ds

I'm afraid the reality is that there is still a faction within Northern Ireland, on both sides, who would indeed take up arms. The threat level in NI at present is classified as severe.


Breaking the Good Friday Agreement and installing a border of any kind either between NI and the Republic or between NI and the UK is not a 'slight' provocation.

On a separate but related note, a poll in Scotland has shown that the public is swinging towards an independent Scotland.

"Asked how they would vote in an independence referendum, 46% of the 1,019 surveyed Scottish voters said they would vote for independence and 43% said they would vote against, according to a poll by Michael Ashcroft.

Excluding those who said they did not know or would not vote, this amounted to 52% to 48% for an independent Scotland."

It is a fact of life and not a provocation.
And are The Irish really so stupid that they would return to an armed struggle over that after all these years of peace?
They would not have the support of the majority north or south of the border.
Idiotic.

The thing is, these people haven't gone away. The New IRA are still perfectly capable of causing trouble, the silence in the Creggan over Lyra McKee's murder, and there's strong evidence that there are plenty of weapons that weren't decommissioned on either side. Also, there's plenty of kneecappings going on.

So you would lie down and accept the present government's bullying if of a certain disposition and creed?
I think it was quite remarkable what New Labour managed to achieve together with all the myriad Irish parties, and the Tories have spent the last few years eroding that goodwill.

Dangerous times indeed. It's all very well to condemn the threat of violence or "citizen action" but political ignorance begets it.
Parliament will not stand by. Even if the UK were to "leave" the EU prior to a forced election (due to a no confidence vote) we would be re-elected under a pro-Europe coalition.

I am certain that the UK is nor going to follow America into being trapped in a populist nightmare.
We British are not so moronic.

So the violence never really stopped.... it was just reduced....

Yeah, all nutters.

I think you'll find that the Irish government won't give up our 12% corporate tax rate without a significant struggle. But they won't do it aggressively. The Irish are very good at diplomacy and 'engaging with the process' blah, blah, in a seemingly helpful way, while looking after their own interests. Polish politicians could pick up a few tips from them :))

In the meantime, while Boris carries on with his bluff and bluster approach, Varadkar made a very sensible statement today:

"It doesn't end on the 31st of October. If we have no deal, we're going to have to talk. The first things on the agenda are going to be citizens' rights, the financial settlement, and the solution to the Irish border - before we even start to talk about a free trade agreement. If there is a deal, then we can start to talk a free trade agreement, so this goes on and on and on for many, many years."

Never mind all that 'make Britian great again' waffle. Those are the practicalities that have to be dealt with, regardless.

I'm sure there will be a struggle... and then if the EU wants it gone (and I think they do) it will quietly disappear.

Any changes to corporation tax policy within the EU require a unanimous vote by all member states in the EU parliament so in theory, Ireland can block any reforms by voting 'no'. But that's not the Irish way - the devious b*stards :)) It's very important to the Irish to always be seen as "a great bunch of lads", so what they'll do, rather than be directly confrontational, is press for global tax reforms through the OECD, as opposed to EU tax reforms, and they'll talk themselves blue in the face during that process (which is already taking place), in order to get the best deal for Ireland. Having said that, they're realistic and will probably accept a slight increase, but nothing that would seriously impinge on our attractiveness to foreign investors.

I'm not so sure there's the support in the EU for it. Poland, Romania and Hungary have all cut corporation tax quite significantly, and there seems to be a general move in the EU towards higher indirect taxation. Even places like Spain have cut corporation taxes in places like Ceuta, so it seems that the Irish might have more support than you'd expect at first glance.

What may change post-Brexit will be the place of taxation. I strongly suspect that digital revenues will be taxed in the place where the purchaser resides, rather than in the most favourite EU country (cough Ireland cough Netherlands).

That is it, Brexit is done and dusted.
That blond bufoon in power is not so stupid after all. ( No not Trump, Johnson )
He has totall control. The only person that can stop Brexit on October 31st is Boris.
There is absolutely nothing anyone else can do now.
The war is over, the final battle has been won.
Freedom for The UK.
My party on Friday 1st of November is all sorted now.
It will be one hellova night....... hope you enjoy your celebrations too.

You been at the sherry again ?

Faced with the economic consequences he will fold. I think May said more than 80 times that we Britain would leave on 29th march.

I don't touch the stuff.....

Boris is not Theresa.

Come on cms, get in the party mood!

It's happening and can no longer be stopped.......

I think a lot will depend on the polling in the last few weeks. Boris is pushing for no deal, but he's going to have to deal with Tories in seats that are pretty solidly Remain - Tories that will almost certainly lose their seats in the event of no deal Brexit.

In all fairness, May's attempts at a deal failed, so trying with no deal now is sensible.

Exactly, IIRC the one and only second the EU displayed the tiniest bit of flexibility was when no deal seemed maybe a not complete impossibility...

I don't think it will happen but not for any of the reasons that the pro-remain people here think/hope.... the city doesn't want it ---- not gonna happen.

Sensible provided you are not trying to do business or be safer or improve public services. If you do think think those things are important then the sensible thing is to cancel it.

I think if it is no deal then it will be real no deal and maybe Boris can be at Heathrow that morning to see why its not a good idea

A long way to go yet Miloslaw. Still not too worried. Don't know why - maybe I've learnt to go with the flow, after a life time of expecting such terrible things as Brexit to happen - and they never do.......

I think you're very worried, aren't you?


I knew BOJO would be victorious!

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Not a victory. 100,00 Tory twats voted for him. Johnson will shortly be removed.

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