Brexit 2019 and Poland

Maybe to you... I doubt Brits would see it the same way

I am a Brit.
I laid out my preferences, and being ruled by Washington was not my favoured option, but preferable to Brussels.
I think, given that choice, most Brits would agree with me.

Hmmm, not the ones I know. Especially not under Trump. But hey, their choice, after all it would be quite funny to watch.

Time soon to get the 5 million out on the streets and commence civil disorder if the Tories are going to persist in denigrating our nation and trying to sell it by the pound.

Maybe not, but as a Brit I know a lot more than you do.
And you won't be laughing......


What 5 million?
If they can manage to get 50,000 to turn up it will be time to bring the riot squads out.

Remember the 1 million in the London poll tax riots? Who won that little argument?
Here's a clue - it wasn't Thatcher.

No, I remember the 200,000 though...... yeah, it was a big turnout for a misunderstood tax that was fairer than the current rates system.
But as always, the lefties vastly exaggerated the numbers....
And in any case, what has that got to do with the present?

Ruled by Washington? Are you insane? Washington cannot rule anything. If somebody invented a way to turn potatoes into gold, Washington would ruin a lot of potatoes and never produce an ounce of gold. And the factory would soon be shipped to China in return for the consultant fees.

Washington is a bunch of party-first traitors whose only mission is....
Well, you know the rest.

If enough people mobilise on the streets to protest Brexit, just as the French have protested in the past - then there will be no Brexit. Your Polish blood will tell you that then the state is powerless to enact legislation that is hugely unpopular with a large section of the population, and the status quo of what went before is upheld.

It's frankly amazing that anyone would seriously think that the EU are going to sell Ireland down the river and negate the Backstop do any degree. If they did, the European project would be dead in the water and we would swiftly revert to the inter-war period of jingoism and political upheaval, in the very best scenario of such a European future, with Russia particulary lapping it up.

Obviously all this is simply political games - playing with people's futures of course. Quite appalling.

I sometimes feel that Boris just wanted to add "Prime Minister" to his CV. There's a defiinite Jeeves and Wooster vibe to it "I say, what ho, old bean, what larks to be PM for a couple of months". Unfortunately he's minus a Jeeves!

Bertie always meant well. Johnson is more a Toad of Toad Hall figure.

Milo you seem to be going more and more at a tangent with rule from Washington and calling the riot police

Serious question- not trolling. As someone with the Polish immigrant background what do you think of the current proposals to end free movement and start penalizing hard-working poles who have often paid 10 to 15 years of taxes in Britain ?

It is my view that previous waves of immigrants denigrate and vilify those who are simply following in their wake.
Quite vile and hypocritical.

Tánaiste (deputy Irish PM), Simon Coveney, will be in Warsaw within the next few days. He's doing a series of visits to Denmark, Czech Rep. Poland, Finland and France to say thanks for your support on the backstop so far and keep it going.

The scum that is Facebook and it's subversion of the Brexit referendum.
youtube.com/watch?v=OQSMr-3GGvQ&feature=youtu.be

As long as he doesn't try to buy it...

How are the British govt penalizing hard working Poles?
The ones that are here now are welcome to stay.
Future immigrants will be vetted in the same way as Indians or Africans.
What is wrong with that?

I refer you to my above post 1513.

That doesn't make sense.

I was suggesting that people of immigrant stock are more likely to vote against further immigration than people of longer heritage, partly because of identity.

Now why doesn't this surprise me? Eastern European pupils are being bullied in British schools post Brexit referendum, with teachers not stamping down on the abuse, but the Tories "want you to stay."

Words.
theguardian.com/society/2019/aug/22/xenophobic-bullying-souring-lives-of-east-european-pupils-in-uk

No that is not what the govt is saying Milo - according to Priti Patel freedom of movement ends in 31 oct. if you are not a citizen by then you have no means of proving you can stay. There is a system in place but with huge problems and processing delays - any Pole who is out of the country on 31 oct might not get back in to work.

The biach is just hot air - but playing with people's lives. Scum of the first magnitude, and all this nonsense shall not stand.

I see that Merkel has called Boris's bluff by giving him 30 days to come up with a detailed plan for an alternative to the backstop, which of course he won't be able to do. I suspect that he will simply rehash and serve up once again, the ideas that have already been dismissed as unworkable.

Takes me three seconds... the UK does nothing about the border if Ireland (or the EU) want to do something then that's their problem.

Ta da!

What the hell is "the backstop"?

@ Maf, yes, you've repeated that many times. However, it's not our problem. The UK decided to leave the EU, without considering the fact that it had a land border with another EU country with whom they signed what is essentially a peace treaty, the core of which is an open border. The problem is theirs. They have to find the solution. If they come up with a workable one, then Ireland will give their full cooperation to it.

And if they want to keep that border open then what, precisely is the problem?

It's not like Ceuta and Melilla in North Africa or even French Guiana where the EU border butts up against a third world continent.

If the EU can't maintain an open border with a first world highly developed, first world western democracy.... then something is wrong with the EU.


backstop is EU technocrat jargon for a provision designed to prevent something from happening.... I dont' know if the word is otherwise used in any english speaking country...

in this case it's transparent meaning is "use the Irish border to subvert Brexit"

I really wonder Maf why you're bothering with this thread. You told me yourself some time ago that you had never had any interest in Ireland or Irish politics and that you hadn't even realized for years that there were Unionist terrorists in NI, so you're hardly in a position to understand the Irish border issue. Since you began discussing Brexit on this thread, you've made no effort whatsoever to read or learn anything that would assist you in making any judgements about the Brexit situation in relation to the border. You just keep repeating the same old ignorant, ill-informed rubbish - God only knows why. You're basically an intelligent and quite reasonable person, not like some of the loonies in this place. If you don't understand the Irish border, then you can't understand why Brexit is in the position it is in presently.

But you know, as one Irish commentator said, and he's absolutely right, Brexit is a great example of what happens when people say 'yes' to something, without knowing what it is they're voting for. When Ireland had the referendum for the Good Friday Agreement back in 1998, every household in the country, north and south, was supplied with the full text of the agreement. We knew what we were doing when 91% of those who voted, voted 'yes'. I don't think the Brits really understood what they were saying 'yes' to - and they still don't and won't, not for years. There was no proper public debate about Brexit. It was a foolish, ill-considered gesture by David Cameron which has backfired horribly.

Thanks. The word is then completely ridiculous. No wonder that the UK voted to leave if Brussels uses such a language.


No offence, but I'm sure that 99% of people in continental Europe do not understand the concept of "Irish border". It seems there are two categories under "border": one is 'border', the other is 'Irish border'

The term backstop didn't originate in the EU, nor was it used when the agreement was made.


And none taken. I'm not surprised. The Irish border is a complex issue and it's not just a physical border. It's a series of connections between Northern Ireland and the Republic such as provision of health services, policing and much more. The two communities have become deeply integrated and entwined since the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 and you can't just undo that overnight, nor would we want to. Take a quick look at this, to get an idea of what 'the border' really means:

rte.ie/news/2019/0822/1070165-report-warns-of-north-south-police-cooperation-disruption-after-hard-brexit/

The UK must accept its responsibilities in relation to maintaining the infrastructures which it helped to put in place. The UK has responsibilities to the people of Northern Ireland and to the border communities in the Republic of Ireland.

You can't simply ignore Irish history and pretend that the Irish border is the same as any other in Europe.