Brexit 2019 and Poland

This is precisely why Great Britain needs to leave.


This is your blinkered narrow minded thinking yet again.....
You completely ignore the fact that people born in Nothern Ireland are also British citizens by birth.
Because it suits your twisted argument.
They may be entitled to Irish citizenship, but have to apply for it whereas they are by default, British.
How many protestant Irish have applied for Irish citizenship?
I bet you ignore that question. ......

On the contrary. The Greeks appreciate the benefits of the Euro.As a Greek once told me, it is difficult to understand just how much a stable currency means to you when you were accustomed to the instable Drachma with its' high inflation rate. Furthermore it was not the Euro that brought Greece into trouble, it were their own irresponsible politicians who squandered the cheap money they got on vanity projects (Olympic games) and corruption (island full of blind people et al). As the Greek said, even if we left the Euro, our politicians would stay. Within the Eurozone there are at least now some control mechanisms.

Hearsay,but Greece and Italy will undo The EU.

No. They have automatic Irish citizenship by birth. Every person in Northern Ireland is both Irish and British by birth but may choose to identify as either one, or both, or indeed as Northern Irish but will obviously have to choose either an Irish or British passport.


They don't have to. They are Irish citizens but quite a Northern Irish Unionists few have applied for Irish passports since Brexit. Btw, not all Protestants are Unionists.

You keep arguing over the same old topics, isn't it getting redundant ?

Hello Joker - who keeps arguing? Over what old topics?

Haven't religious wars on the British Isles ended with the death of Henry VIII?

not sure how relevant that is... from the UK point of view additional Irish citizenship is irrelevant when UK citizens are in the UK...and vice versa, if a person has an Irish passport then then the fact that they also have a UK passport will be completely irrelevant when they're in the republic. It's not really possible to leverage one citizenship against the other...

Everyone born on the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen by birth. Those born in Northern Ireland have dual UK and Irish citizenship by birth. A recent and ongoing case involving a Northern Ireland woman with an Irish passport who has never held a British passport, has highlighted the difficulties of that, especially post-Brexit. The people of Northern Ireland are Irish, however much the DUP doesn't like it (though ironically plenty of them hold Irish passports!).

bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48268586

sounds like an individual problem... not something relevant to Brexit... dual citizenship is only workable if only one form is valid/relevant at a time.

Dual Irish-UK citizen in the UK, then Irish citizenship is (or should be) irrelevant

Deal Irish-UK citizen in Ireland, then UK citizenship is (or should be) irrelevant.

The fact that some random individuals want (or try) to turn this into a problem is irrelevant.


Blanket jus soli citizenship is an idea from yesterday's world and makes less and less sense in an age of globalization... it's no longer useful for the US and will soon be no longer useful for Ireland or any other country that practices it and cannot be done away with soon enough to suit me.

It's a 19th century idea that makes no sense in today's world.

Two things are obvious. There will be two categories of citizens within the UK, those who live in NI and retain EU entitlements, those live on the mainland and don't. Two potential problems arise from that. Seeing that EU citizens retain their EU rights as far as possible and continue to access benefits and services they have are legally entitled to and equally,seeing that other UK citizens don't become a second class or B grade citizen with fewer rights and opportunities than their NI counterparts. As it stands, on 1 November, UK citizens in NI retain the right of freedom of movement, other UK citizens don't.


We don't have that in Ireland. We did away with it years ago. It's anyone born on Irish soil to at least one Irish parent or with various other degrees of family connection to Ireland.

Hey, is Euro somehow excluded from your rule?

No, if they're foolish enough to keep wanting it then.... I'm just pointing out that making the impossibility of service economies thriving with the euro (as currently constructed) clear is a good idea. What people do with that is... up to them.

Spain still does use the peseta in some bookkeeping (I've gotten supermarket receipts with prices also calculated in pesetas) not to mention other local alternate currency schemes...and some in Italy (virtually zero economic growth since adopting the dannned thing) are thinking of alternatives... I've heard of people using the Bulgarian lev in Northern Greece as an alternate currency

When alternate currencies become a real thing then something is wrong with the basics... but somehow the euro (not even a real currency union) has become a non-negotiable aspect of the EU... pure hubris.

I think (in retrospect) the euro was the point that the EU turned from a dynamic institution that had done more to reduce poverty then any organization in history to an economic arm of German industry and banking...

That would make zero sense and is probably an urban myth. the Lev is pegged to the Euro

Even in Warsaw the Euro is the currency of large business transactions - buying buildings or constructing highways or using an expensive lawyer.

If it is so terrible then why is it appreciating strongly this year against the Pound (and at the moment against the zloty)

...to Ireland... Ireland isnt' going to join Schengen so if they use their UK passports...


Put lev and northern greece into google... it's well attested that it happened. I don't know if it's still going on but it did for a few years.


Exactly, it's good for the kinds of things that manufacturing and banking economies use... and not so great for service economies that don't produce much manufactured goods (or do you want a bunch of factories next to Greek beaches?)

But, as almost every single Irish/British person in NI is entitled to an Irish passport, it means that a whole chunk of the UK will retain their freedom of movement etc and the rest of the UK won't, which is a very unequal situation and may annoy quite a few Brits in a post-Brexit world. Last year, there were nearly a quarter of a million new applications for Irish passports Maf, and most of those came from Northern Ireland.

Well then the Irish passport office is going to have to start working overtime....


color me alarmed....

Yes, they've already had to deploy a few hundred extra staff.


Mmm, very facetious, but it's a mess really isn't it? Mind you, I suppose America is a very unequal society so maybe you genuinely don't see anything wrong with the anomalies, legal grey areas and inequalities of a post-Brexit UK.

Everything's a mess, the idea that people voting for Brexit hadn't carefully considered every eventuality, well.... that's the normal case.


This has nothing to do with social inequality... and the UK already has a bunch of weird stuff, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands and Gibraltar, those are all exceptional cases, this is just another one...

The fact that you apparently think that Northern Ireland is no different to the Isle of Man................well, I suggest you either read history, or stop making foolish comments.

No, I meant that the UK (and associated real estate in Europe) is already complex and so a little more complexity with NI won't bring the world to an end..

No, but in the past it has brought lives to an end. Post-Brexit NI is a good deal more complex than the Isle of Man or Gibraltar.

So the UK will have to deal with it.

You don't just nullify voting results because of hypothetical complex problems


That's all on the parties involved and should not be used as emotional or political blackmail in the present situation. I'm sure cool heads will be able to prevail.

Perhaps a referendum in the rest of the UK on kicking NI out? (I keed, but I wonder what the result would be....)

Exactly. As I've said all along, the Irish border is the UK's problem to deal with. They need to find the solution, not the EU and not the Republic of Ireland - and until they can come up with one, there has to be a backstop.


It's not a question of blackmail. It's simply an awareness and acceptance of the realities of life in Northern Ireland and the attitudes of the people there and what those attitudes have lead to in the past. The British administration has always had a degree of denial of those realities and 'outsiders' such as yourself don't understand it at all. We, in the Republic understand the North and we know how easily the whole thing can kick off again.


Yes, of course, that can't happen but it's an interesting question. I think it would probably pass. Most 'normal' Brits would vote to hand it back to Ireland and although Brexiteers claim to uphold the Union, Northern Ireland is preventing Brexit, and most of them have no interest in the North anyway so probably around half of them, if not more, would vote to get rid of it.

No. Common sense is preventing Brexit.

I should really have said that NI is preventing Brexit with a deal - but well said, Doug. Unfortunately, at this stage, the situation is very serious for the UK. Have just read there may be a Privy Council meeting today at Balmoral. I feel genuinely sorry for Queenie. It's a real crisis moment in the history of Britain, probably the greatest crisis since the civil war. What a dilemma for her. Give the go ahead to prorogue parliament and go down in history, after such a long and honourable reign, as the monarch who was complicit in the destruction of the UK, or veto it and be the monarch who interfered in politics. It depends really on whether she is advised by the Council, that it's just the first step in dissolution of parliament, with the intent of calling a general election.

I am very much afraid that in the end, we, the citizens of the UK, will have no alternative but to do what the French and the Poles did before us.

To the streets!

Anyway, no need to panic yet. The last head of the country who dared a constitutional outrage and defied parliament didn't fare so well.

I confidently predict that Johnson will also be (metaphorically) on the block.

You sure do sound nervous...LOLOL The Brits! you are clowns! Hahahaha

Stick with the EU so we can keep laughing at you:)

What's to laugh at? Having chicken curry for lunch joker. Non-chlorinated. Organic salad; non of your GM stuff thanks. We also have some cracking weather in Europe at the moment. Come on down! You know you want to.

Anyway the joke will be on Johnson soon enough.

I really don't care. Im not a Limey


You actually eat that crap?


Not much of an argument with a failing economy, lets talk food and change the subject.

Hey, why did you expat from old blimey to Poland?