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Brexit 2019 and Poland



Bratwurst Boy
27 Jan 2019  #151

I'm fairly sure if Germans were forced to flee tomorrow the country they immigrate into will call them soon also a bunch of lazy cheats only out for the benefits and taking over the country by multiplying to quickly.

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #152

@Bratwurst Boy

At first glance,your list of supposed anti Polish articles in The Daily Mail looks impressive.Unless you go through and read them all,which I did.

Not one of them is actually critical of Poles and some of the stories came straight out of Poland.
Some of them were reported in other newspapers too,including at least one in the "Oh so Liberal" Guardian.
And ALL of them are over 10 years old!
I expected better from you BB.Poor effort.Must try harder.

@TheOther

Your article was not even specifically about Poles!
It was about East European workers in general and was not critical of them,just reporting facts.
Very poor effort.Must try much harder.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #153

I expected better from you BB.Poor effort.Must try harder.

Why me? The Polish Federation complained about the Mail!

These articles + headlines was what POLES complained about....what about them? Must they try harder too?

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #154

There was even a "booklet" handed out to defame Poles in the UK by the Brexiters:

...were handed a booklet earlier this month titled "essential knowledge", in which a section about migration implied Polish migrants came to Britain for "free healthcare" and "better schools".

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/school-polish-migrants-uk-jobs-stealing-brexit-propaganda-eu-walthamstow-academy-london-a8557066.html

Listing "problems" caused by Polish immigration, the document stated "pressures on the NHS", "many languages" in schools, "informal work" meaning the government "does not receive tax" and "unemployment for locals".

When the Brexiters lied about the Poles in Britain who knows what else they had been lying about...

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #155

The Federation of Poles in Great Britain are,how can I put this,overly sensitive.

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #156

There was even a "booklet" handed out to defame Poles in the UK by the Brexiters

It is not clear from that article who produced the booklet.
If there really were articles in British media defaming Poles I would be one of the first to complain.
The fact is that there haven't been any and none of your "evidence" proves otherwise.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #157

So, you totally ignoring anti-polish articles and anti-polish "booklets" in the british media?

Just imagine that would had happened in Germany...

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #158

Here is more of what you seemingly "missed":

I haven't missed anything.
Remember,I live here and you don't.
Did you even read and understand the Wikipedia article?Which I see you have now deleted........LOL!!!
It mentions The BNP,a Neo Nazi party that no longer exists and some newspaper articles all written
by Jews...........this is not British anti Polish sentiment,this is just a continuation of the age old arguments
between Poles and Jews.
I think you owe me an apology.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #159

Really! I rather think you don't want to see it:

In January 2014, a Polish man, whose helmet was emblazoned with the flag of Poland,[139] claimed he was attacked by a group of fifteen men outside a pub in Dagenham, London.[140] Photos were taken of him and his motorbike. The victim blamed xenophobic speeches of the Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron.[141]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment

And the proverbial "polish plumber" did make it as a meme even to Germany

The "Polish plumber" cliché may symbolise the fear of cheap Central and East European labour threatening the jobs of West Europeans.[3]

The "Polish plumber" was also featured on a poster by the Polish tourism board in response to what was perceived as negative rhetoric against Poland.

The stereotype was cited as a factor in the referendum that led to the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.[4][5][6][7][8]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Plumber

And for what should I apologize? For british "negative rhetoric"?

The mass immigration of Poles to the UK after the accession of Poland had been one of the big building blocs of the Brexit campaign.

'Brexit' debate: Could Britain get by without the 'Polish Plumber'?

Many in the UK argue that Eastern Europeans are taking jobs and welfare money away from native Brits, and that leaving the EU is the solution.


csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2016/0225/Brexit-debate-Could-Britain-get-by-without-the-Polish-Plumber

....Now, the image of the "Polish Plumber" has become a fixture of daily life in Britain - and a political football in the heated debate over whether to remain a part of the European Union or stage a "Brexit" and leave the bloc....

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #160

And for what should I apologize?

Why did you delete the Wikipedia link?

Why are you so interested in promoting the lie that there is a large anti Polish bias in Britain?

We have thugs,yobs,racists,idiots etc like every country.These things happen to many different races in many different countries.

But to suggest,as you do that it is common and to use false evidence as you did is both dishonest and suspicious.

I think you should apologise for deliberately trying to mislead people.

Again,I live here and know this country,you don't.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #161

Why did you delete the Wikipedia link?

This forum doesn't let me design my posts as I want them too...it's annoying...I can't quote what I want when I want either....gah!

Why are you so interested in promoting the lie that there is a large anti Polish bias in Britain?

I don't lie...I have links to all my posts...it's all original, I didn't invent anything.

Can I ask you a question in return? Why are you so interested in ignoring that?

A big part of the Brexit campaign was hate against immigration...and it had been the Poles up front as the scape goats for that.

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #162

And these are the idiots that don't understand that none of the East Europeans already here will have to leave.
Thankfully there are not many of them.

@BB "Why are you so interested in ignoring that?"

Ignoring what?

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #163

That:

Racism and xenophobia experienced by Polish migrants in the UK before and after Brexit vote

tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2018.1451308

Maybe the author Alina Rzepnikowska should apologize too...

(As your read I'm going for a fresh coffee....brb)

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #164

If you have posted that link before then I must have missed it,if that is the case I apologise(See,I can do that!)

She bases her case on mainly the same ones you did,which I have already debunked.
Please file her along with The FPGB as over sensitive.
Look,this stuff happens,but Poles are well down the pecking order when it comes to being victims of racism in The UK.
You are exaggerating it all and falsely claimed all those newspaper stories had anti Polish bias.
Now,either you have some kind of agenda for doing this or you genuinely believe it to be true.
If it is the latter than let me assure you that there is very little truth in it.
Besides,Poles can look after themselves,if there was a fight I would always back The Pole to beat The Brit.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #165

If you have posted that link before then I must have missed it,if that is the case I apologise(See,I can do that!)

Well...you have a reason to! :)

She bases her case on mainly the same ones you did,which I have already debunked.

Just saying you "debunked" something doesn't make it so...just putting all of this in the "over sensitive" drawer helps neither.

You are willfully ignorant....and I'm borrowing now the explanation "I live here, and you don't" for anytime foreigners say anything about Germany I don't like! :)

Rich Mazur
28 Jan 2019  #166

Besides,Poles can look after themselves,if there was a fight I would always back The Pole to beat The Brit.

To the best of my knowledge, Brits fight only if they are intoxicated and it's about soccer. Fighting to protect the UK became old fashioned in 1945 and the process of pussyfication commenced. Today, the very act of thinking that the UK may need protection lands them in jail to chill out.

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #167

"I live here, and you don't" for anytime foreigners say anything about Germany I don't like! :)

And you are entitled to use it.

Calling me willfully ignorant is both inaccurate and demeans you.

Seriously though,Have you ever been to Britain?
Did you have any problems?
If you answer yes and no then you have your answer.
The British are more likely to be racist towards Germans than towards Poles.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #168

This English Town Backed Brexit. Now the Poles Are Leaving

bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-13/this-english-town-backed-brexit-now-the-poles-are-leaving

....Now many of those migrants are starting to pack their bags for home or the continent, fed up with the weak pound that dilutes the earnings they send home and with the overall anti-foreigner atmosphere post-Brexit.

Noooooooo....."overall anti-foreigner atmosphere"...CANT BE!!!!

...."Many, many are planning to leave after the New Year or after the school year ends," she said. "Everyone says you can find a better life in another country. The exchange rate is better and they're closer to home."

Must be all my "agenda"....

Polish media in UK shocked by post-Brexit hate crimes

bbc.com/news/world-europe-36656348

"Leave the EU, no more Polish vermin"

How could I possibly exaggerate something like this?

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #169

Noooooooo....."overall anti-foreigner atmosphere"...CANT BE!!!!

There has always been a bit of that in this island nation.But it's not specificaly aimed at Poles.
There is a lot of drinking on street corners here and yes,it is nearly always Poles and no,it does not go
down well with the locals.
A few Poles are leaving,but for economic or family reasons not because of your supposed racism.
But the vast majority are not leaving and most will probably never leave.
The big difference is that there are far fewer new Polish arrivals.
Most of the influx in the last two years has been from Romania.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #170

I understand you Milo, I really do...Germans have faced some **** too.

I'm leaving it at that. Still bros!

TheOther
28 Jan 2019  #171

there are far fewer new Polish arrivals

Poles are the largest group of migrants in the U.K., if I recall correctly. What happens if the influx of Poles and other Europeans turns into a trickle, and you'll get mostly Commonwealth citizens from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria instead? Is that what pro BREXIT voters wanted?

Rich Mazur
28 Jan 2019  #172

Yes. Because the Brits elected and will elect the governments who want citizens from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria - before Brexit, during Brexit and after Brexit.

There is no cure for mass hysterias and insanities.

RubasznyRumcajs
28 Jan 2019  #173

I know many Poles in The UK that are genuinly,profoundly worried about Brexit.
And all without reason.

Elaborate, please. Especially the last part.

"I have been living here building a successful business with my family for 15 years with residency. Why should I have to apply again."

1. He, nor did any Pole who has arrived after PL joined the EU, didn't have to apply for anything. Therefore, he doesn't need to apply again

2. UK is leaving the EU, therefore EU migrants have to regulate their status in the UK (so do the Brits living in the EU). 15 years is, frankly speaking, more than long enough for migrants to apply for naturalization. If they were thinking seriously and in long-term they would have done that long time ago.

I am a member of FB group about the residency and citizenship in the UK. the influx of people who have lived in the uk for decade or more (but whou couldn't earlier be arsed to sort out their status) is massive.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #174

15 years is, frankly speaking, more than long enough for migrants to apply for naturalization.

Not really. That's what membership in the EU meant...you can live and study and work and retire everywhere without having to apply for any citizenship at all. There is just no need to give up one home for another.

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #175

Elaborate, please. Especially the last part.

Because if you are here already,you won't be kicked out.
When we leave there will probably be some restrictions on who can come in.
Quality,not quantity.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #176

Hmmm...just found that:

If you're an EU citizen, you and your family will be able to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme to continue living in the UK after 30 June 2021. If your application is successful, you'll get either settled or pre-settled status.

The deadline for applying will be 30 June 2021.

gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families

So...if I interpret that correctly, all EUians who want to stay after 2021 in the UK have to apply first, right? Exceptions are only being made for the Irish...So yes, you can get kicked out!

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #177

The only people that will have unsuccessful applications will be criminals and the long term unemployed.
Please stop your s**t stirring......I thought you were one of the good guys......too much negative stuff is coming from you at the moment.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Jan 2019  #178

Okay...from now on only the positive stuff...

Miloslaw
28 Jan 2019  #179

That's what I like to hear!
Now let's see if you can stick to it......

RubasznyRumcajs
28 Jan 2019  #180

@Bratwurst Boy
you gave up one already when you have moved out, indefinitably. And UK won't be in the EU no more, so your point isn't valid

those whose SS will be refused could be- in theory- deported. Considering that UK government cannot manage deportation of 'properly illegal' migrants I doubt anyone, but criminals, would be deported. Whatever they would be allowed back if they would go and visit family, it's a different story though.


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