Brexit 2019 and Poland

When asked " Do you prefer to leave the EU, or Remain"? Every single poll is for Remain, and has been for 18 months.
I could find the statistics, but you are so sick in the head you would deny the facts.

Because they know they'll lose. Remainers were complacent during the last referendum, they won't be now.

They simply couldn't imagine anyone disagreeing them... a common neoliberal failing.

But, a second 'remain' vote would not necessarily be a good thing... it's like the mirror image of the 'too big to fail' banks... the EU becomes 'too important to fail' and things that are too important to fail... usually end up failing.

The UK was the only 'major' country that wasn't regulation crazy (feeling the need to micromanage every aspect of people's lives) so if it stays a lot of its opt outs are gone and EU regulations will become even more intrusive and bothersome (if possible)

Has RODO made anyone's life easier or better?

Actually it did help few people.

Your conclusion is spot on mate.The British public are fed up to the back teeth with Brexit and just want it done.
Boris would win a landslide right now and the opposition parties know it.


You read it right again, Doug is well out of touch with his home country.


Just not true.You are obviously only reading left leaning newsfeeds.

The fact is that the vast majority of Brits respect democracy.
The vote was taken with the biggest turnout ever and was decisively to leave.
Most people think that vote now has to be honoured and people standing in the way of that are both undemocratic and traitorous.

I will dig out the stats tomorrow. Too cold here now for that.
And look at the money markets. 4/11 for an Brexit extension - more time needed to bang heads together, and as I've always postulated - the longer this goes on the greater the likelyhood of Revoke.

I would get ringing round and cancel the caterers for that Halloween Party if I were you Milo!:)

Far too early for that mate...... :-) But if you are right we can always turn it into a kind of Wake..... :-)

Halloween is always such fun. Todays' politics shouldn't be allowed to interfere with it. I always thought Bonfire night should be a big booze up and grill by the fire, and not just the fireworks!

Was 5th of November for Brits :))

"Remember, remember the 5th of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot
I see no reason, gunpowder and treason
Should ever be forgot.

Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, 'twas his intent
To blow up the King and the Parliament".

What's the betting that the Guy this year will be Boris;)

Well - I have been searching for the Brexit Leave v Remain poll of polls graph for the last three years - but obviously, I don't know how to search properly:) :) Will keep looking.

Found this one though.

This one - poll of polls - copyright Politico.

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3 year graph - yes, I made an error and quoted my previous source; Remain was only in the lead AFTER the 2017 election. I stand corrected.

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Your poll certainly bears that out.
But it's just not the feeling I get when talking to people.
Anyway, it's all academic as there will not be a second referendum.

Mmm...plenty of talk as to why the EU is silent. I think they will reject Johnson's plan out of hand. There might be some trading.

Then a year long extension, a compromise deal, put to a confirmatory referendum. After all, Cromwell offered the same to Charles in 1639 :):)
You know it makes sense.

They're not quite silent - they've already said it's not acceptable in its present form. They'll be publishing their full response later today, but the proposals as they stand are definitely not the basis of a deal and Johnson knows that. The proposals are just more stalling, with what purpose in mind, who knows.

True.
But some in the EU have welcomed it as a move in the right direction.
The problem is that there may not be enough time or even will to take it further.

Not specifically about Brexit, why is it that no matter what the ballot question is, it's always 49 to 51. I bet that if we had a referendum if to abolish freedom of speech the outcome would be 49-51. It's as if a yes vote immediately creates a no vote just to pi*ss off the yes.

Oh dear! Now Guy Verhofstadt has broken the peace and quiet on Channel 4, just to say, "No,No, M.Johnson, this is not acceptable in any form. You must do better, you educated ninconpoop" Or words to that effect:)

That little trumped up Hitler impersonator? LOL!!
Let's wait till we hear what Junker and Barnier have to say.

The European Parliament has spoken. The closing statement of their response to the UK's protocol to replace the backstop is:

Safeguarding peace and stability on the island of Ireland, protection of citizens and EU's legal order has to be the main focus of any deal. The UK proposals do not match even remotely what was agreed as a sufficient compromise in the backstop.

The feeling in EU diplomatic circles is that another extension is on the cards.


What media do you follow? They gave their response yesterday.

This is where it gets interesting..........does the EU think "No Deal" won't happen?

It's not a question of what the EU thinks. This is a simple case of four main objectives that must be met and it's up to the UK to find a way of meeting them.

1)protecting the Good Friday Agreement
2) preventing any kind of border infrastructure or associated checks
3) protecting the all-island economy of Ireland
4) protecting the single market and Ireland's place in it

If the UK doesn't meet those requirements then there is no deal. If that occurs,then that's internal UK politics and parliament has to find a way through if they don't want to leave without a deal.

And if there is no deal then none of those requirements are met...........

Leaving the EU without a deal does not allow the UK to abandon their legal obligations towards Northern Ireland and the upholding of the GFA.

Of course, they want to utterly humiliate the UK before it comes crawling back having lost all of its opt outs (including the pound and ability to stay out of Schengen).


Those are mutually exclusive. Ireland needs to choose (given the changed circumstances) which is more important.

They have to stay out of Schengen because of the Common Travel Area.


We don't need to choose anything. The UK are the ones leaving the EU and they are the ones who need to make choices. We've managed to retain reasonably good relations with them throughout the Brexit process but we are going to look after our own interests and not compromise them to accommodate British internal politics which is what gave rise to Brexit. Brexit is a British problem.

Nobody wants to humiliate the UK. The UK have been unable to negotiate a deal because of Northern Ireland, it's as simple as that.

That would mean that the PM knowingly broke the law. I don't know how binding that would be.


Oh for Pete's sake! If the UK'S government is as competent as a 4 year old is the fault of UK and the people that chosen them.

What law?

The one passed by the parliment saying that if he doesn't get a deal he has to ask for extension?

He can send a letter asking for an extension on behalf of Great Britain and another from himself saying he doesn't want one.

As well as being exceedingly childish that would also break the law according to legal experts (and I know like most leave voters you don't believe in experts)

theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/09/boris-johnson-sabotage-letter-to-eu-would-break-law

The problem he has is that he does not have a majority - as such he doesn't have any choice but to work with other parties and to follow the law. He did have a majority (of one) when he started but he now has a majority of minus 45.