Brexit 2019 and Poland

And you can propose that with a straight face? As a serious political move? Amazing really.

Not to mention that Boris Johnson matters only as far as the representant of the country and government. What he personally wants is of no buisness. So why should EU take his personal letter into acoount and not the one on behalf of GB?

irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/borderlands/the-border

It makes absolutely no difference,
He can take us out anyway.
We are a sovereign nation.


But I am afraid that you do.
GB may be leaving the EU but as joint signatories to the agreement Ireland is equally responsible to keep it intact.
You cant just wash your hands of it like Pontius Pilate.

It is a sovereign country but that sovereignty rests with parliament, not with lying cheating philandering Boris.

Ireland are not breaking any treaty if they do nothing and wait for Britain to sort it out. Boris proposal for no borders is two borders, which the NI Police day they will not man.

Who says you are not? But what you suggest is him breaking your own laws . Nit to mention behaving as if he was in kindergarten

You are right, they are not.But the EU will demand a hard border if there is no deal.


No it is not.He would still formally ask for an extension.

Great. Then what makes you think EU would pay any attention to the second letter?

What do you think Schengen is? It's a common travel area. You'll both be in a bigger area... (it's gonna be off the hook! )


Sounds like that's the EU's and Ireland's problem. Has the UK side ever requested a hard border?

As far as I know UK recognizes the need for checks. Only a moron could suggest that there is no need for one in this situation.

Thank you! What a lovely thing to say!


Then both sides agree that a hard border is needed..... what's the problem?

Don't be so oversensitive and and use common sense then I won't have to say things like that.


Solution is needed. True. The problem is what the solution will be. Neither UK nor Ireland wants the border. Other solution has been rejected . Won't be easy to find a different one.

I personally don't care about hard border or not, it's a matter between UK and Ireland but I recognise they care and I respect that. I also recognise that leaving the borders without any checks after Brexit is not viable option.

Atch - I would give up if I were you. Obviously no one who comments here about "the border" is remotely interested in acquainting themselves of the facts; the uniqueness and sociologist significance of therein.

Or even " sociological" 😀

Ireland doesn't want a solution, it wants to be able to shoot down any solution while contributing nothing. It's a bad faith partner at this point.

I'm wondering if there's a deal with the EU to be as obstructionist as possible in exchange for keeping its corporate tax rate (many in the EU want to limit member states' abilities to set their own rates)

Spot on.
Nobody wants any border at all but the EU are using this as a way of getting concessions out of Britain.
So Britain has offered a soft border option to appease the EU.
Ireland reject that.
If there is no deal Britain will not impose a border but the EU will insist Ireland impose one.
Big problem for Ireland.
Britain will not concede to the EU's other demands so we are in stalemate.
Tongue in cheek, but the best thing for Ireland to do is to leave the EU :-)


No it doesn't.
Only the EU is demanding them.

They agreed to backstop. It was UK that shoot it down

And please stop with your conspiracy theory. According to you everybody should just apploud any UK's idea forgetting their own interests just to help Brits sort their own mess out?

I would not be in the least bit surprised because Ireland's attitude is verging on the suicidal.
Bear in mind that if Britain leaves the EU then most of Ireland's exports will be to non EU nations.

"Sociopathological" you wanted to say?

Can anyone tell when this whole Brexit thing is over? We in Poland are fed up with it and I am going to send a $1,000 cheque to anyone who can tell the exact date of Brexit (Dougpol1 and Miloslaw, however, will not be accepted as participants to the game).

The whole of Europe is fed up with it! :-)

Shhh, let averyone believe that the whole of Europe holds its breath over UK.

Don't get me wrong, I generally think it would be better for UK if they stayed but this notion that whole Europe is somehow crying after them is hilarious

The Common Travel Area is more than a common travel area - Father Ted territory again :)) It's a range of reciprocal rights which go much further than the rights enjoyed by EU citizens.


No, there definitely isn't.


I know. The ignorance and stupidity is an affectation though. Just pure trolling.

Anyway, extension coming up and then an election I suppose and ultimately no Brexit. Ireland saved your British arses :))


Well, the European Parliament is fed up with the whole Brexit thing because it's wasting a tremendous amount of their time and will amount to nothing in the end.

Increasingly the EU attitude toward all elections...


I didn't realize you are privy to behind the scenes diplomacy.... duly noted.

@mafketis
I am sure you know the history, but for those that don't, here we go.

In 1973 British PM Edward Heath made us join the EEC, The European Economic Community,with no approval from the British people.
Despite the fact that many voices on the continent did not want us to join.
The loudest voice was De Gaulle of France, he knew the British would cause problems for this Franco German alliance and said "Non".
This was an economic free trading group.What was wrong with that?
But in 1975 they held a referendum asking us if we wished to stay in.
I was 18 years old in 1975 and coming from a continental background, family in Britain, Poland and France, thought this was a good thing and voted remain.

Then it morphed into the EC, the European Community.... the word economic had been dropped.
And much later it morphed into the EU, the European Union, a group dedicated to ever closer union and total governance from Brussels.
We never voted for a United States of Europe.
We voted for an EEC.
They lied to us and cheated us.
Now we know their plan, we want out.

De Gaulle died in 1970

That's the problem, ever closer union has reached the point of diminishing returns but it's the only thing they know and the only thing they can pursue....

Pointless and irrelevant.


Maf, as an American, granted that you seem to have lived in Europe for quite a while, you have a very good grasp on what is happening in Europe.

Better than some Europeans I might add.

They always do and always in small steps to avoid the gag reflex in the less open-minded.

Another of Milos' confusions is that the UK didn't know that the Common market expected a common framewrok on political aspirations and laws, but allowed for divergence, as it does today.. Harold Wilson's government of 1969 was aware of this when they re-opened negotiations to join.

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Sorry - but on this topic Maf is simply pushing a right wing agenda. He comes out with nonsense about the Border problem, that is not helpful, and has not stated anything that he can't pull out of Breibart.

If you like America and Americans so much Milo, why not give America a try? But they can keep their filthy snouts (The government - not Maf's snout) out of our affairs.

Maybe the UK knew but the people did not.
It is you that are confused.


Really?
I don't see Maf as a right winger at all.
I would guess he was central, maybe leaning a little to the right.
But I will leave it to him to speak for himself.

People didn't know many consequences of leave either and somehow that doesn't stop you. But more importantly- things evolve and there is a lot of people who are adults now who took no part in the events you described. So I really don't see the mischievous significance of that

My new hobby horse (that is my new ideological crush) is the anti-woke left....

And I try to keep abreast of news in half a dozen (or more) European countries. Most Europeans don't really do that*... the view from looking at what's going on in different parts of the EU is very different from what you get looking at (at most) two countries...

*a weird part of modern Europe and the EU (as a broader political project) is just how little most Europeans know about what's going on in their close neighbors... how many British people know about boerenprotest (for example).