Brexit 2019 and Poland

We know a damn sight more about the world than Americans do (I refer to those who live in America...) At least we knew that Bush was talking about the Pakistani president in that famous interview....

Plus we actually know where Pakistan is :):)

We do, too. That's where Osama met a guy with a real assault weapon and it was an American.
Back to Brexit.

Good joke.
My point was that Bush didnt know the name of the president of Pakistan - or had a hangover or sudden brain dump.
My response was to a suggestion that Americans are generally well versed. My view is contrarian.

I suggested no such thing. I suggested that Europeans in general don't much events in more than a country (or two) beyond the headlines (and/or evening news).

If you follow news stories across a number of countries you get a very different view of what's going on than if you concentrate on one or two.

An example I gave was the boerenprotest that should have been news across Europe... I'm sure that a protest that was one tenth that size but for an establishment approved cause would have been publicized...

This is true of Poland, too. Very few peole know what is going on in Germany, our biggest and most important neighbour (also, inhabited by our fellow Sarmatians, as Crow says) or in the Czech Republic, our close western Slavic neighbour.

I wasn't having a pop at you. I was answering Milo's post where he was simply looking for political allies in this fight.

The curse of the Tower of Babel till exerts its tragic influence onto mankind.

A big day for Brexit today. Miloslaw is very quiet.
He must be phoning around cancelling his party guests' hotel rooms.....

I am quiet.
But not for the reasons you suppose.
No Deal = election = Tory majority = No deal Brexit.
Time to party!!!!!!

Really Milo?

That's no time for party....a sad day...with long lasting repercussions for all of us! :(

What the devil is going on with that fu*cking Brexit? Could you be a little more specific?

That was May's strategy too - win a big majority to deliver her version of Brexit. She screwed it up just like she screwed up everything else.

Boris is not going to do well in a 6 week election campaign when he s trying to sell something that will cost jobs and make people poorer. At some point he will lose votes for his shagging and corruption, he will be wiped out in Scotland and probably in London - yes he might run up but majorities in some rural seats but I cannot see where the 326 seats he needs will come from - it means winning 80 from where he is now.

Interesting take on the Irish border and the backstop...

spiked-online.com/2019/10/03/theres-nothing-complex-about-the-irish-border/

Countdown till Atch says he doesn't know what he's talking about, 10, 9, 8...

You're missing the point as usual on Brexit mafeketis.
Ireland is not "stopping" Brexit.
This week in the London Standard newspaper, the Yougov Poll of polls has found that of 300 surveys since July 2017, 207 showed Remain ahead, and only 7 have a Leave majority.

The feeling in the UK has moved toward Remain. 60 percent of Brits are home owners, and cant afford to be poorer in a post EU non entity that according to the Tory twats will have shed its shared sovereignty, just in order to be "British again" psychologically- which I am anyway.

True and the EU need to wake up to that fact.
But I am no fan of the "European Experiment", it does not suit the British mentality.


But they are causing problems which may be suicidal for them.


I just don't see how that matters and furthermore, I don't see why they will be poorer.
What solid evidence do you have to back that up?

They are already poorer because of Brexit and when it actually happens those eff3cts will be compounded. It will kill off many British industries and cost many jobs.

If we talking about solid evidence can you name one sector of the economy or one region of the country that will benefit economically from Brexit ?

No, but there is nothing to back up the stories of doom and gloom either.
The UK will take a hit, but so will everyone else, especially Ireland.
But this is the point Remainers are missing.
It's not about economics.

So which one is it?

The government itself is talking about food and medicine shortages, a lot of investment being cut and so on. Not a pretty picture.

Of course for you it may not be about economy but most people tend not to like it when their life is getting harder and more uncertain.

My two comments are not related.
The first one was about home owners, which won't be effected by Brexit.
The second about the economy, which will take a hit but not one big enough to be a problem.
The government have said that there will not be any medicine shortages and as for food, we can always eat someting else.... we won't starve!

These scare stories are a bit like The Millenium Bug :-)

I suggest that if you want to understand the border issue, read the Irish media. Listen to theIrish government. Listen to Simon Coveney, listen to Leo Varadakar, listen to the Irish people. That's where you'll get your insights. If you want to understand Ireland and Irish issues, your best source is Ireland. As Coveney says:

"It's not just about trade, it's about so much more than that and anybody who understands Ireland and the politics of this island understands that."

I also suggest that you don't listen to a Cambridge academic who spent 25 years getting a nice earner out of cozying up to the Unionists and spouting the equivalent of Holocaust denial, in terms of trying to downplay the civil and human rights breaches that lead to the Troubles.

We don't want the UK to leave without a deal but we can't just pretend that everything will be just work out somehow, regarding the border. Anyway, today Leo and Boris are talking together once again, in the UK this time, trying to get something agreed. Let's hope they do.

They've agreed something - but we don't know what:):) And anyway, what Johnson says one day, he does an about face the next. This should be good. In the meantime, life goes on.

It looks as if the something they agreed may have been leaving NI only in the customs union, but naturally the DUP are saying no to that. However, I don't think they'll be able to stop it this time as they don't have a sufficient majority in the UK parliament. It was different before when parliament was so divided but if there's enough support for the forthcoming deal, and I think there will be, the DUP won't be able to stop it.

The most important thing is that Varadker has seen sense at last.
He knows how damaging a No Deal would be for Ireland.
Ireland would suffer more than any other country in Europe.
There is still an inkling of hope that some sort of deal can be done.

And I don't think there will be a parliamentary majority for what we suspect is a harder Brexit than May's deal.. The deal will be much worse than staying in, and all the polls re: Brexit popularity show that. We will know next Saturday if there is a feeling for a confirmatory referendum or not, and I still cant believe that my fellow Brits will be so stupid as to let 3 percent of the population condemn them to a hard Brexit.

We will soon find out now who is right!

We will indeed..... ;-)

To be honest - I was busy today and missed the rapid market move. The pound leapt from 4.83 to 4.95 against the zloty by 4 in the afternoon. That's a bit of a gamble on the side of the currency traders and they will have eggs on their faces if they haven't called this right. Anyway I've taken the bait because in the short term there's profit taking and an over-correction - UNLESS Johnson does a deal. In which case, I lose money.

The Irish government hasn't shifted position at all, but Boris Johnson has - it appears that he's willing to concede the NI only backstop that was mooted originally by Theresa May. But as I said before,the DUP won't hear of it. However if the NI Assembly can be got up and running again, and can be given some kind of vote on the continuation of such an arrangement beyond a time limit (but without ending up with a DUP veto situation) then maybe it's a runner.

Now off you go Milo and ask your "Irish wife" to explain all that to you, or else go to Wikipedia and find out who the DUP are and what the NI Assembly is.

flexible as always.... the first thing the UK needs to do (no matter how this shakes out) is to ask itself how necessary Irish imports really, really, really are....

maybe Germany can take up the sack?

Are you active on the Forex exchange, Doug?

@maf

The thing is EU negotiates together- that's their strength. So whatever will affect Irish import/export will affect German as well.