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Brexit 2019 and Poland



Lenka
26 Nov 2019  #2461

Americans as well. We had 2 in my time

Economists generally agree that EU is good for their economy, especially since they worked as financial sector for EU. That will end. We will see whether it will benefit them.

johnny reb
26 Nov 2019  #2462

Americans as well. We had 2 in my time

The Administrator and one other one (and for how long) back over five years ago.
So very sketchy I see.

Which economists and which financial sector ?
The Polish ones in which case I may agree.
For British a huge burden as their economy is presently showing.

Lenka
26 Nov 2019  #2463

Financial sector- banking, insurance etc.- London City so to speak. A lot of them already opened places in Amsterdam etc. Why don't you read a little about it before you form an opinion?

As to the future- we will see. For now we don't even know when and how Brexit will take place.

As to the mods and Admin- I will respond in Random as there is no point trashing this thread.

Dougpol1
26 Nov 2019  #2464

The Brexit Party are down and out Lenka. We now know that it was only Farage playing his egocentric games, and they have merged with the scum wing of the Tory party.

All we can hope for is a hung parliament, with the SNP ensuring that Johnson's damaging hard Brexit can't happen.
All in all though, Britain is on the slide, and those of us who can, have acted accordingly.

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2465

For now we don't even know when and how Brexit will take place

Or indeed if.

2 million voters under 34 have registered in the last few weeks, plus several 100,000 elderly leave voters have died since the 2016 referendum.

dolnoslask
26 Nov 2019  #2466

Is everyone prepared? honest question.

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2467

Not really. If it happened it would cause problems for so many people.

dolnoslask
26 Nov 2019  #2468

Anyone here on the forum feel as if it will cause a problem to them personally?

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2469

Potentially yes, as retirement gets closer and decisions need to be made. This will affect a lot of people in Europe, especially couples where both are from different countries, have different pensions and specific health needs which reduce the choice of where to retire to.

Lenka
26 Nov 2019  #2470

Yes, possibly.

dolnoslask
26 Nov 2019  #2471

specific health needs which reduce the choice of where to retire to.

Now that's interesting, are you inferring that Britain was a soft touch for returning expats and foreigners when it comes to healthcare.

Its ok I am not making judgements, I can understand people wanting gold star health treatment if they can get it.

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2472

hat Britain was a soft touch for returning expat

I wish it was. In any case, it's hardly a soft touch if one of a couple has paid their stamps for decades in the UK and their spouse has paid in PL. It's not about returning to the UK (though I would like that option which I've certainly paid for). More about moving to the Costas or the Algarve; something which would become logistically harder if 'brexit' were to happen, particularly around pensions and healthcare.

Dougpol1
26 Nov 2019  #2473

couples where both are from different countries, have different pensions and specific health needs which reduce the choice of where to retire to.

Precisely. Mrs Dougpol was already aware that in a post Brexit Britain she would have no NHS rights as wifey of a retiree.
Scum Britain gone American, and I've taken all assets out of the country now.

cms neuf
26 Nov 2019  #2474

For me a huge business problem - like many other medium sized and big Polish businesses we are funded from London and some of my biggest clients are there.

Have a property there too which is tanking in value as the GBP fell.

On a personal level the only issue is that I paid into the British system for a few years when working there, I expect that sorting out the social security issue will take decades.

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2475

taken all assets out of the country now

I'm thinking long and hard about this.

Scum Britain gone American

If 'brexit' happened, this would get far, far worse.

Dougpol1
26 Nov 2019  #2476

Britain was a soft touch for returning expats

Wot you on about?
Paid NI for 10 years. That is good enough to qualify for minimum pension. No good without cover for wifey when I pop off though.
Scum Britain. Take it. You can have it :)

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2477

Paid NI for 10 years

Well worth keeping up with it. You can also buy up to 7 years backdated. It's currently a good deal, even if you have to pay the more expensive contributions. Still a lot cheaper than ZUS.

dolnoslask
26 Nov 2019  #2478

Jeez guys it looks like it will hurt us all one way or another, quite an eye opener , thanks for your honest answers , and I can feel your pain.

What a sorry state of affairs , sad that people cannot return to their roots because of the choice of partner, they say love truly has no boundaries, well at least until as Doug put it so eloquently the scum bag politicians get involved.

Miloslaw
26 Nov 2019  #2479

Economists generally agree that EU is good for their economy

No they don't.
Please cite links.

Which economists and which financial sector ?

Good question.

Financial sector- banking, insurance etc.- London City

Poor answer......

The Brexit Party are down and out Lenka

They are, they will not form a coalition with The Tories because they probably won't have any MP's.

2 million voters under 34 have registered in the last few weeks, plus several 100,000 elderly leave voters have died since the 2016 referendum.

A pretty disgusting thing to say, but if you are right, and I don't think you are, that will be the end of The UK.

And I will be moving to Poland......

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2480

We may still be able to stop it, especially if the Tories don't get a majority (and the polls are narrowing, not to mention the newly registered young voters who aren't included in existing polls).

A pretty disgusting thing to say,

'Disgusting' to mention that people over a certain age die? Or 'disgusting' to point out that the Electoral Commission's figures as of todat point out that 2.5 million under-34s have registered to vote since the election was called?

Miloslaw
26 Nov 2019  #2481

We may still be able to stop it

No chance.
That would kill Britain off once and for all.
Crazy thinking.
Disgusting to gloat over the fact that people you disagree with have died.

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2482

That would kill Britain off once and for all.

'Brexit' would do that for sure. The reality is that the referendum had a less than 2% majority, and today the vote would likely go the other way.

Let's hope for very bad weather on 12 Dec.

Miloslaw
26 Nov 2019  #2483

The reality is that the referendum had a less than 2% majority

The reality is that you are not prepared to accept a democratic vote which was not under the "first past the post system",
every vote counted.
And you don't like that, because you disagree with the result!
You are not a supporter of democracy, you prefer the authoritarian rule of Socialism...... we need PR in The UK.

dolnoslask
26 Nov 2019  #2484

Let's hope for very bad weather on 12 Dec.

Genius !! the old codger leavers trip on the ice and break their hips before getting to the ballot box lol.

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2485

a democratic vote

Perhaps you think proven Russian interference and illegal funding by billionaires is 'democratic'/

You are not a supporter of democracy

Very much a supporter. And now 3 years have passed since the non-binding advisory referendum, time to have a new binding one.

Democracy doesn't mean you have to stick with an opinion from years ago...

Miloslaw
26 Nov 2019  #2486

Perhaps you think proven Russian interference is 'democratic

Where is it proven?
And if you think it existed at all, how much influence do you think it actually had?
BTW, I hate Russia.

the non-binding advisory referendum

Yeah, that non binding "advisory" referendum that all the parties said they would respect?
Old hat, that argument was destroyed ages ago.
Please keep up.

dolnoslask
26 Nov 2019  #2487

proven Russian interference

Exactly long term supporters of the British labour party

jon357
26 Nov 2019  #2488

non binding advisory referendum

Looks like you're trying to use rhetoric since the truth is painful to you.

There's a very real chance that the people of Britain can stop this in a couple of weeks. If that liar Johnson doesn't get an absolute majority, he'll need to form a coalition. And no other party (except the 'Brexit Party', at 3% in the polls) will allow him to proceed without a binding referendum.

While Labour rise in the polls and the SNP and Plaid are more than happy to co-operate. We might even see SF take their oaths for the first time!

Exactly long term supporters of the British labour party

In fact the Tories nowadays (they like the instability), but never mind.

delphiandomine
26 Nov 2019  #2489

we need PR in The UK.

I think so too. Look at how the Scottish Government has generally been successful since 1999, and there's only been one majority government in that time. I'd even argue that the most successful SNP-led government was the first one in 2007-2011, as they had to find a route to win votes without holding a majority, so you ended up with situations where the SNP would compromise on some issues in order to get the Budget passed and so on.

From my perspective, Boris really needs to recognise the threat coming from Corbyn. It's clear that Corbyn knows exactly how to communicate with younger voters, and the signs are there that Labour will yet again mount a charge from way behind. It won't win Labour a majority, but it's clear at this point that there's a broad coalition willing to put Corbyn in Number 10 just to ensure a second referendum.

A lot may rest on how the Tories do in Scotland. They clung on in 2017 because of a stronger-than-expected performance there, and the same might be the case again.

Miloslaw
26 Nov 2019  #2490

since the truth is painful to you

Quite the reverse.
You are ignoring the truth, as all good Socialists do.

A lot may rest on how the Tories do in Scotland

I don't think The Tories stand a chance in Scotland without Ruth.
SNP will rule up there, but I know many Scots that hate Nicola.
My feeling is that Boris will win.
Maybe with a majority.
Nobody wants a "Nightmare in Downing Street"......


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