Brexit 2019 and Poland

Boris Johnson on course for a landslide victory as Labour vote falls away.

Congratulations, BOJO!

There still is a glimmer of hope for the UK:)


Well, he actually does live there:)

Cheers Milo, have the party now!

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Yeah, right, you are not just racist and bigot, you are humongous racist and even
more significant bigot, if this is possible. English, conceded, dismissive, conniving arrogant, especially, uncivilized ones from the northern hills and bogs of Scotland
Do you think Poland needs them?. I am waiting for just one post from you describing Poland in the positive, friendly light.
You ungrateful dog.

Just curious Bird. Have you actually been to Poland, or are you one of these Pol-Ams who sits around proudly reading the annals of history? Winters are dark and grey here, but you reckon everybody is running around smiling and necessarily helping old ladies across the street.

Lots of work to do...........massive party to organise............ :-)


I will now!!!!

And two other positives, Corbyn gone and Swinson gone too.... :-)

You're right there!

The other big takeaways....

Will Scotland leave? Would the EU take it on (along with the financial burden it represents)? Would that encourage Catalonia? Flanders?

Will Scotland leave if the EU insists on it joing the euro and Schengen (and the hard border that would need to be installed)?

What do the results mean for NIreland? Reunification sooner rather than later?
I know Atch likes to talk about how the process would have to be neat and orderly like a kindergarten outing, but history seldom goes for that option. German reunification went from 'years away after a long time of adjustment' to 'oops! here it is' very quickly.

Slovakia and the Czech republic split despite majorities in both countries being against the idea... sometimes politics takes on its own momentum...

It may surprise you to learn that the Scots are Scottish, not English - and the Scots from the 'hills' or the Highlands as they should more properly be referred to, are far more civilized than many English. You should learn a bit about Edinburgh. I think you'll find it's a lot more civilized than Chicago. Univeristy of Edinburgh founded 1592, University of Chicago still under construction in 1893 at the time of the Chicago World's Fair. Most residents hadn't even heard of it. Of course according to visitors to the fair there were also very few pavements and those that did exist were so deluged in spit that "No English person would believe how bad it was, requiring us to pick every step we took on the pavements, even in the best streets."

I might also remind you that without Scots engineers you wouldn't have telephone, television, trains and other things too numerous to mention.


Starting with organizing a trade deal with Phil Hogan - and btw 'organize' is spelt with a 'z' in British English :)

The drunk tank in Lublin is probably more civilized than Chicago....

Which is Glasgow, civilized or savage Scotland? According to an article years I read years ago during the colonial era it compared unfavorably with Calcutta...

Who is Boris Johnson, prey tell?

No.They don't want to and Boris won't let them anyway.


Yeah, but of course you think I'm a yank....... ;-)


Our PM with a large majority..........

I don't think his objections will be the deal breaker but rather the EU won't want them anymore (once they can't be used to delay/stop Brexit)


A recent translation client requested British English (despite not really knowing what it is...) I only have active command of American spelling so I do the translation in American and then shift spellcheck to the UK... anyway, I was surprised at some spellings I thought were just American weren't flagged.... and a few I thought were more international were...

Is -iz- instead of -is- generally accepted in BE now?

Which is a dreadful mistake, to be rectified down the line, after 5 years of untold damage to British institutions,

I think you are wrong anyway.

Z is American.


Maybe, maybe not.
But the alternatives were not worth contemplating.

Dougpol in agreement - again! :)
Actually, the 13 States took the z from the original English, which we now refer to as Br.Eng...so sorry, but on this, Atch is correct.

Check again Doug.

We Brits spell it the same as the French, with an S.

Savage. Edinburgh is the refined one because it's Highland Scotland :))


Nope. Actually in British English, nowadays you may use either, but the academic elite (such as myself, ha, ha!) prefer the original ize ending which pre-dates the ise. That's why the Oxford English dictionary uses the ize endings. That form has been around since the 15th century and the ise crept in around the 18th century. The important thing is that in a single piece of writing you shouldn't swither between the two.


Mmm yes, but the Germans didn't have a history of civil war and about half the population descended from a group of settlers and not identifying as German at all. No, the process in NI will carry on as it has done for the last 20 years, for some time to come. However Leo Varadkar made a statement regarding the election results in the North which echoes what you're saying to some degree:

"If you know about plate tectonics you know that things move slowly, then things move suddenly.

"Slowly because of demographics and more suddenly because of the reaction of people in Northern Ireland to Brexit."

The Taoiseach said there was no longer a unionist or nationalist majority in the North, adding that the centre ground was expanding, a trend he said had been confirmed in elections to the Assembly and European Parliament.

Nonetheless, NI as a whole would be reluctant to go down a full reunification route and so would the people of the Republic whose consent is required.

Correct.

But Americans ONLY use ize.

Still think I'm a Yank?

Entries of words of this type tn the WordReference.com (multilingual on-line dictionary that also has English-Polish, English-Russian and English-Czech) show the -ize form as the universal one, but adds an alternative form -ise for the UK:

civilize [sb], also UK: civilise


Wasn't the Thirty Years' War a kind of religious civil war in Germany?
Wikipedia: Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire.


To which group of people and which part of Germany are you refering here?

Thank you Ziem.


Actually there are quite a few words where we use "ise" and North Americans use "ize".
TBH, the American way is more as it sounds when spoken.

Well now, that's a bit of a thin analogy considering it happened about 300 years before post-communist reunification whilst the conflict in NI only ended 20 years ago - and there are still tensions there.


I'm not, read the sentence again and then go and listen to Radio Four, or the World Service,like you did in the good old days when you were learning English. You need to brush up on your comprehension skills, mon brave.


The only authoratitive source for the English language as it is used in the UK, is the Oxford English dictionary. I explained the origins of ize earlier. Now if you've finished trolling, I suggest you trot off and make a little Baba Jaga house from gingerbread or pickle a giant vat of cabbage or something that passes for Christmas joy in your neck of the woods. And to think that I once considered casting you as one of the three Kings in the All-Singing, All-Dancing, widescreen, technicolour, stereophonic, Polish Forums Christmas Concert and Nativiity Jamboree..............

Oxford dictionaries published in the UK generally show both forms.

I see youre projecting again:)


It was a real kick in the dupa for the Socialists yesterday. I hope this is just a preview for our election in 2020.

How does a new trade deal between Trump and BOJO sound, its getting better all the time!

But the Oxford English Dictionary, as opposed to the Oxford Dictionary of English, doesn't care about common usage, only about 'correct' usage, hence:

"the suffix itself, whatever the element to which it is added, is in its origin the Greek ‑ιζειν, Latin ‑izāre; and, as the pronunciation is also with z, there is no reason why in English the special French spelling should be followed, in opposition to that which is at once etymological and phonetic. In this Dictionary the termination is uniformly written ‑ize."

What's the murder rate in Chicago? No place with that many killings can be called civilized.


does it still have 'gaol' and 'kerb' ?

what's its position on 'gotten'?

It is still 'kerb' ! Got is preferred over gotten in usage, don't know about prescriptive grammarians' views.

The OED prefers 'jail' but the Oxford University Press persisted with 'gaol' for years and The Guardian only changed to 'jail' in the 1980s!!

Same no doubt for "tyre" instead of "tire", "colour" vs. "color", "connexion" rather than "connection" etc.
Take it that "British" spelling is standard orthography throughout the UK, including of course, all of Ireland,
Scotland, and Wales, am I correct in my assumption?

Yes, you are correct Lyzko. Re the list of spellings, the only one that has changed is connection, we don't use connexion anymore, that's very Jane Austen :))

In Whitecago, it's practically nonexistent. In Afrocago, it's very high. Almost like in Guatemala.

How do I answer an alcoholic with limited cognitive ability, and expect him to understand the apparent. Abyss separates loyal citizen from a pretender defiling everything dear to authentic Pole.

Yes, genius, the cracks are already there...

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You brought the level of eloquence to this forum nobody can match. That was a compliment, btw.