Brexit 2019 and Poland

American spelling is better. In every single case. You continue adding letters past the point of total clarity and the absence of any ambiguity. Like in "colour" or 'programme".

Why not stop at "color" and "program"? Why did you need that "u" and "me"?
It's like those stupid old women with 10 cats unable to explain why, after the first two, they needed the third cat.

That's 'the British Isles' to you me old fruit, me old flower.

What you've proved is that you don't understand spelling conventions and you don't accept the Oxford English Dictionary as the authority on the English language - how odd for an Englishman. Not the spelling bit of course, amazing how many illiterates there are from the land that gave us Shakespeare, but the scorn for the Oxford English Dictionary is surprising. That's surprising with an 's' of course, which is how it should be.


When it adheres to correct principles such as in the 'ize' suffix, yes.


The English didn't 'add' them, the Americans dropped them.

Programme from the Greek 'programma'.
Colour from Old French 'colour'.

Sorry, but your pretence of cockney English is just awful.....you sound like Dick Van Dyke in "Mary Poppins" , pathetic.....

Back to the British Election......
It was about two things.
Democracy and Patriotism.
1,Democracy. The fact that so many MP's tried to ignore the 2016 referendum stuck in tbe craw for most Brits.
A democratic vote has to be upheld.Even remainers felt this.
2.Patriotism.What the Labour party forgot is that most Brits are patriotic and that they were unpatriotic.
That cost them big time.
The British government will now be tory for at least ten years.
In fact, I will go further, I cannot see another Labour government in my lifetime.

Actually it was a single issue election and Labour tried to split the difference on that issue and people left them for the party that had committed to that issue.

Of course the EU is now talking about extensions itself so they can wring as much money out of the UK as possible.... so..... yay?

They can talk all they want.
Boris is now master of all he sees,
He has Carte Blanche to do what he thinks is best for Britain.
And he will.

Johnson will be forced to deliver a soft Brexit a la May. Otherwise the British economy is toast.

Who should force him?


Thing is WHAT is the thinking? He isn't a natural EU hater, he isn't a believer of a "German Fourth Reich" or dreams of past world empire glory....he actually startet out as a Remainer....he is an opportunist hanging his flag into the wind which will get him the most. He will play the tune a majority wants to hear...but he lacks the conviction of a Farage etc.

Economic factors. If he tries a hard Brexit, the EU will show him the cold shoulder when the trade negotiations are up. The U.K. needs the European Union for a simple reason. There's barely any room for growth left for trade with the US or the Commonwealth. The deals that were out there are done, what else does Great Britain have to offer that could compensate for lost revenue with the EU?

Hmmm.....the consequences of a hard Brexit won't come to pass the moment the divorce is done. Johnson won't care about the next few economical years, only his next political years. And the vote was clear on that, he HAS to deliver a sharp Brexit soon!

I'm still not 100% convinced that it's what he wants to do (vs what he thought would win an election) but if he doesn't deliver some kind of Brexit pretty fast then the Conservatives are toast and after Labour and the Libdems shooting themselves in the feet all the parties will need major reorganization

Realignment (what's going on now) is rough on the political establishment and the more the establishment fights it the rougher it is....

That's no great foresight, given this motley crew. Call me a snob if you must - but the thick northern accent of most of these Momentum crowd wouldn't get them elected over my dog.

theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/15/labour-leadership-contest-who-are-the-runners-and-riders
It has to be Starmer or A.N.Other - but pray God let the fools destroy themselves, and another centrist party will rise from the ashes.

Please tell me you are joking....The guy who does what the voters want is "an opportunist"? What do you call a guy who says "fu*ck voters"? A leader?

What do you call politicians aligning their opinions and promises on polls and surveys? True democrats or power hungry slime balls?

I wonder why Nigel Farage isn't prime minister now if that's what the voter wanted...he was the #1 Brexiteer from the beginning....he startet it and worked for years for that goal....no matter what one thinks of him but that is a true believer!

Slime ball - a person who never takes a stand and answers questions with questions.
Other than that, the president and the Congress are our employees. We pay these m-fu*ckers to do what we hired them to do, which is what we want.

And we want what is good for us. Who is "us"? The tax paying and informed voters.

To their great credit, the Brits had a referendum. The results are known. Somebody has to guide that ship though the narrows, just as a lawyer has to defend his client even if he hates the pos and is 100% sure he did it. Simple enough?

To the Brits: My apologies for my less than kind comments in the past. Good job.

Imagine you voted for Trump to get your wall against immigration, then...a short time later....the polls say a small majority doesn't think such a wall is a good idea...now Trump should do what the majority wants, right?

Well it's no pretence. I actually lived in London and believe it or not Milo, 'me old fruit, me old flower' is used in a joking way by people of your own generation, for comic effect, it's a kind of irony. Just like they say 'leave it out' and 'laugh? I nearly bought me own beer' and 'garn you old plonker' and a whole lot more that you should be familiar with.


Bascially, you're back to the old NI issue again. All that has to be sorted first - and to the satisfaction both of the EU and the US House of Representatives, otherwise a US trade deal is scuppered. I cant' see Johnson having much choice other than close alignment with the EU.

Best analysis so far

akinokure.blogspot.com/2019/12/leftoid-polarizers-thwart-realignment.html

favorite quotes:

"By making the central distinctive goal of their campaign the reneging of the Brexit referendum, Labour might as well have not campaigned at all."

"They courted the economic elites, who benefit from the cheap labor that globalization and immigration deliver, but they forgot how to count (typical lib arts majors)"

Labour deserted its base and so their base deserted them. Labour has to ween itself from woke SJWism (a branch of neoliberalism) and actually try to serve the interests who've been decimated by global financial elites and to do that it has to make peace with other populists in France and Italy.

It's called realignment and the longer political parties put it off the harsher the transition will be.

Rubbish. Immigration into the Uk was not at unmanageable levels, and will not decline anyway. As for globalisation, that is a matter of fact, and short of war, cannot (and should not) be stopped.

Citizens who actually live there seem to disagree....


Until it isn't.....

Realignment is happening, you can either get in front of it, or behind it in a way that minimizes losses to you or you can fight it and end up..... not in a good place, like the libdems (who like labour found out that opposing a majority position, expressed twice at the polls is not a pathway to success).

Name the level when the gates will have to be closed. That question calls for a number, not essays, adjectives, or evasive buts and howevers.

If the answer is "never", you are certified.

I agree. The issue with NI has to be solved first before trade negotiations with the EU can even start.

Can the EU stop Brexit if it's not solved?

Labour used to be the party of the working class with occasional corrupt union, but they never hated their own country. Now it's a party of people who want the country to burn and wear it as a badge of honour.

Well, it cant' stop Brexit literally, only the UK has the power to stop Brexit in legal terms. But if you mean can the EU be 'awkward', it's not the EU, it's the business community in NI who are likely to be difficult about this and you can't blame them really, seeing as they are the ones who will feel the greatest impact. It will get solved but it will take quite a long time and probably won't get done by the end of the transition period.

...besides Corbyn not being a very nice/charismatic politician, other european social democrats should look closely what had happened.

Going even further to the left isn't winning votes back...no matter the promises!

Aktualny that was the only thing going for him in my opinion. Especially when compared to May or Boris.

Wokesterism isn't the left... it comes from the elite as a strategy to divide and conquer.


Some option that's already been floated will be adopted. The longer it takes them to get to that the less good it says for them....

What's that?

It's a combination of

Hardcore identity politics - the idea that people from different ethno-religious-racial groups have no shared political interests.

SJWism (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior)

and the trans-agenda (Male and Female aren't biological categories but metaphysical parts of a person's identity with no connection to anatomy or reproductive function).

Corbyn couldn't support Brexit (wanted by a significant chunk of traditional Labour voters) but he did share his pronouns with the world...

Again all these ideologies are top-down, introduced into public discourse and nourished by elites in order to prevent (for example) white and black working class people from realizing they have shared class interests.

Similarly climate change alarmism is a way of trying to get people to voluntarily accept austerity (no more cheap airline flights or meat or fur or enough heat in the winter) while the elite have no slightest intention of following suit.

Globalisation is freedom Maf. Maybe not for those who live all their lives in their towns of birth.
That's their choice, and its futile to blame personal failings on immigration.
There was a large Asian population in Nottingham - the bastards took my job!!
Lol.