Brexit 2019 and Poland

Well, if you did, I would guess it was quite a long time ago.
From your posts, I would guess that you are probably ten years younger than me. or more.
You are probably the last generation of people that lived in London to know those sayings.
Yeah, me and my mates know them, but nearly all of my mates have moved out of London.
Mainly Herts, Essex, Kent and Norfolk.But some further afield.
If you came out with some of your very corny statements in a London pub now, you will face confusion.... the youngsters in London now have no connection at all with that old world.Because most of them are not of British descent.

And? Are you? A total non sequitur as who British people's parents are.

Aimee says it better than I could, every opinion you have was created by Fortune 500 companies....

twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1180881827394772992

I don tweet. What does "Aimee" say?

"Imagine the brain worms you'd have to be harbouring to look at the rampant acceleration of progressive neoliberalism- the way it's commodified our labor & our bodies, our relationships & romances, our emotions & our political logic- yet insist social conservatism is the enemy"

(she's not a conservative herself but she doesn't hate the working class, which mostly is).

Maf, you remind me of sb. My American pal, a PhD twice over.
Don't you realise that us plebs cannot necessarily employ the same vocabulary as yourselves? My pal laughingly paraphrases for me. And I taught him the side screw pool shot as a trade. Would you be willing to stretch to the same courtesy on occasion?

Geography and difference in intellect, as has been crushingly pointed out, denies us the chance to meet in person, so you'll have to take my previous green baize prowess on trust I fear.

So who's right Maf? People in small towns, who are content in their own backwater, or the major cities that generate the growth in GDP? I know who I side with. You can add the presidents of Gdansk, Wroclaw and Poznan to the list in the link below of voices of sense.

Katowice has been bought, and Krakowians are so far up their backsides to know right from wrong anyway.
theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/16/islands-in-the-illiberal-storm-central-european-cities-vow-to-stand-together

Both are....and both different needs need to be accomodated. That's where much of the hate today is coming from, the fear of one group to be overruled by the other. Globalists against nationalists, big city against the land etc.

Both need each other....even the milk in the coffee that this urbanite hipster enjoys is coming from somewhere else, not the big city and it's mighty GDP but from that backwater land around it.

But to find compromises both sides need to accept each other...none way is better nor the only right way to live, just different.

You mean - like, the groups where 2 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump, and more people voted for Remain leaning parties than voted for Leave parties?

Mmmm....

Oh yeah!, get acquainted with every position ever mention in Kama-Sutra, hundred of times or more::))



Easy as shooting the fish in the barrel
#1 Crazy eyes Adam Schiff
#2 Confused Chuck Schumer ( thinks he is running senate)
#3 Jabba the Hutt himself Jerry Nadler


As mentioned before it is all my Granddad fault, I inherited his
language, sultry, play on words, quips, so when I ordered pizza I could have mispronounced the name.::))


As an unrefined cheapskate I thought I could splurge for a movie and dinner after, maybe::)))


Pompous, racist idiot fits you just right Bonafide bigot No matter how much you pretend, your real ugly self is just beneath the surface

Those on welfare, felons, low IQ imbeciles, illegals, thugs, and the dead are not "people".
Did you invite any of them to dinner lately?

Exactly.


Twenty five years ago I encountered a white, native British, teenager from Muswell Hill who had never heard of the King's Road, let alone been there, so 'youngsters' knowing little of their own culture is nothing new. Of course you're a North Londoner yourself, maybe that accounts for it.


The problem lies in the logistics of adopting it.

It's not a fear, it's a fact of life. Class warfare is very real and waged by the one percent against the rest of us.


Of course, you're pmc (professional managerial class) and part of your role in the system is to help keep the working class in line, divided and properly subservient.... I'm pmc but reject that role.

I don't think it's the same class warfare of old anymore...much more a cultural/identity warfare now.

That's why the internationalist left is struggling everywhere, the answers of old often don't reach their intended targets anymore...


It's more like the multicultural/globalist Big City of London with their muslim mayor voted Remain whereas the areas around it voted for Leave.

Or the big cities of the US East and West Coast voted vor Clinton and whole regions between and outside voted for Trump.

This pattern develops everyhwere in the West, in Germany too...and in France....everywhere!

It would be stupid to keep on ignoring that....despising openly these "backward deplorables" won't help to gain these votes back.

No, the elites are using identity politics as one of their weapons as is telescopic philanthropy

en.metapedia.org/wiki/Telescopic_philanthropy


They've deserted their former electorate (roughly speaking, working classes) in favor of the professional managerial class (who have elite aspirations and enthusiastically join any policy that hurts the working class).

But the pmc and elites will always be outnumbered by the rest and so the path to winning elections lies in boosting the social safety net and prioritizing the needs and desires of citizens over those of non-citizens (whether rich of poor).

It's not THE elites generally I would think. These identity politics are an abberration of the left, it will become their downfall. In that regard it has become not a weapon but rather a tool of self destruction.


Agreed!

It has proven already successfull in Norway...where a social democratic party with a newly adopted hard stance on immigration could not only gain votes back but put the rival extremist right party back to the margins.

But of course that is a hard step to make for many leftists...from an internationalist outlook to a nationalist one.

Nonsense. Immigrants are tomorrows' citizens, and anyhow will contribute, given the chance. Didn't you? It's all this "My views of course should not apply in MY case" hypocrisy that gets right up my snout.

You're reading a lot more into what I write than I actually put in there...


That's reading a lot into situations that don't necessarily merit it. There's a lot of evidence that large percentages of migrants in WEurope are not immigrants in any traditional sense (they have no intention of letting their children assimilate to local values and customs).

Most WEuropean countries are not good at creating jobs that can be done by people with minimal local language skills and they're not good at getting non-Europeans to assimilate to European values. They are good about trapping them into welfare dependence (which mostly incites rage rather than gratitude among those receiving it).

Good intentions are not enough and having suitably progressive views does not guarantee functional policy on the ground. Migration policy in many European countries is hopelessly broken and governments refuse to fix it.

Looks like that what he's going for, in view of this legislation he's talking about. I'm not sure if people fully realize that Britain can still leave with no deal. Without an extension he will struggle because doing a trade deal of that complexity can't be pulled off in under a year, especially with NI still to be ironed out - oh and fisheries which is a huge issue.

...and the rage of the citizens who, like in any crude and in-your-face dictatorship in the past, were never asked if they wanted those immigrants but are forced to pay for the scum.

Boris is actually caught between a rock and a hard place. On one hand many of his followers demand a hard Brexit, and he knows that he will be toast if he doesn't deliver. On the other hand Johnson is fully aware that such a move would most likely be economic suicide. So what will he do? I don't believe that he will sacrifice the country for his political survival.

You have a very "Can't do" attitude when a "Can do" attitude is required.
He doesn't need to pull off a trade deal of that complexity in that time.
All he needs to do is sort out the main ones.
For example, the car manufacturing industry.
It is already controlled by international protocols, all he has to do is align us with The EU on this one, because that is what we do already.

There are loads of industries like that.
Some will be a problem, like fisheries.I accept that, but let's see how he does.
The EU will not want to do anything that harms their economy, especially not with a possible global recession looming.
He just needs to play hard.The ball is his court now, not Brussels.


He absolutely is not.
He now has power over The EU.
They will not self harm.

But Britain will? That Johnson has power over the EU is wishful thinking.

Mate, just watch this play out......... ;-)

Just curious....Who organized the Brexit referendum and can they organize a referendum like this: Do you want to stop all legal immigration?

Why should we want to do that?

How about to find out if the citizens of the UK really want more immigrants? Too revolutionary to actually ask?

The problem is not about immigration, it is about the quality of the immigrants.
We need skilled people.
We don't need or want refugees that will live on benefits nor unskilled EU immigrants.

We are making progress now...but we are not done yet.
Even if all the future immigrants were MSEE's and Ph.D's, there must be a limit. And the consent of the natives as there is a chance that the natives may just decide to have a lower standard of living and not deal with the foreign geniuses, their customs, smelly food, higher reproductive rates, and the linguistic barriers.

This second point is that the Western "democracies" are basically not that much different from the USSR and the satellites. The commie police and prisons have been replaced with politically correct shaming, shunning, and the fear of unemployment. Just as effective to assure compliance - minus the hero status.

Sure.
That is when the job vacancies run out.