Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Spot on Gummy,
Why does everyone still call them REFUGEE's when they clearly ARE NOT !
The people making fake documents for these guys are making a ton of money.
These 80% of men are from every country under the sun CLAIMING to be from war torn Syria !
MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT REFUGEE'S ! They are OPPORTUNISTS !
Seems the light bulb is on but very few people are at home on this pity party.
Lock your doors Poland and God have mercy on the rest of Europe.

it's not our fault and no they don't want to come to Poland

This "no refugees" is the view of 80 per cent of people in Poland Polsyr according to some poll.

It is going to do some lasting harm to Poland's standing in Europe and will come back to bite them in the ass.

A great shame - because I have always admired Poland, it's history, and the bravery of the people. I think I must have misjudged them and thought they were classier than they actually are in reality.

The romance of the concept of struggle against partition and Soviet domination is wearing thin, and from now on I will be charging top whack and not giving any grace or favour 'til I see some change in their stunning arrogance.

Mine is only one little voice, but it makes me feel vindicated, and like Poles everywhere - I'm learning that's it's all about me. My mother would be disgusted, but Poland has finally corrupted me.

You disgust me. Look at the news today. 60, yes 60 Pakistanis ,not Asian, as reported by your lefty media, but 60 Pakistanis raped one, white, child. And, you call this an exaggeration? If this happens in Poland, do you think your views will be respected. Even one child is more than enough. How can you condone this?

Source please. If you weren't clearly racist, your comment would be "60 men raped a child".

Pathetic. If true, it wouldn't matter one iota to the child whether the men were French, Russian or Prussian, or even Ital-i an...

Back to the topic please

Bringing in immigrants or refugees to improve demographics is fraught with serious problems, as countries with large migrant populations can attest. Polish girls should start marrying at an early age (23 is biologically ideal for first childbirth) and procreating profusely without delay!

I hope political correctness will die soon a painful death

Indeed, very well said

Poland should not take any of them. Firstly incompetent countries with no border protection need to fix that. Secondly the world needs to ask the uae and other rich oil crooks why they are not helping at all. Thirdly the silly frog and german need to come out and explain if they are planning to start a world union and no longer just eu because that needs another referendum.

Well I can bet you will see a mob at the planned protest in Warsaw on September 12.
There is still hope for Poland to reject these undesirables.
Women with children that need temporary help until they can go back home......fine.
The 80% of young men that refuse to fight for their family and country......no way, send them back.

Forget it, you will vote the wrong way.

Yes, there is - "pokora" (Matt Pokora comes to mind lol).
You could make use of some of it, imho. Especially in your judgments and sweeping generalisations that you're making about Poles.


I see literally noone is watching the Polish TV on this forum lol

I've watched the news yesterday and according to the newest poll by Millward Brown for TVN 51% of Poles think that Poland should take in the refugees, 44% are against it and 5% don't have an opinion.

There was also a question about what number of refugees would be OK for Poland to accept (people who agreed to refugees being taken by Poland were asked this question). The answers:

38% - no more than 2000 people
32% - no more than 10 000 people
5% - no more than 20%
8% - more than 20 000 people
17% - I don't know

Source:
fakty.tvn24.pl/fakty-ekstra,52/wiekszosc-polakow-chce-przyjac-uchodzcow-sondaz-millward-brown,575162.html

I'm not sure if people on this forum heard about this but pope Francis called on Catholics in Europe to help the refugees and thus the President of the Polish Episcopal Conference, Stanisław Gądecki, appealed to every parish to take one refugee family:

washingtonpost.com/world/refugees-keep-streaming-into-europe-as-crisis-continues-unabated/2015/09/06/8a330572-5345-11e5-b225-90edbd49f362_story.html

So, even before Gądecki made his statement already first parishes in Poland were stating their will to take in refugee families.
One priest said on TVN's "Fakty" that they decided to collect some money for refugees and they collected 24 000 PLN in... 3 minutes.
Some young men said smiling that one family for one parish is "nothing" :)
Some voyt of a little gmina of little over 7000 people wrote a letter saying that they could take in a dozen or so of refugees because there aren't many people living there and so they will intergrate well ;)))

Some businessman said that he can give jobs to refugees in his factory.
Lech Wałęsa, the former president of Poland, said that he would like to take in one family of refugees to his home, but he has to yet convince his wife - he promised to her that he'll do all the cooking, she hasn't said "yes" yet, but he said that he'll be "working on it" lol ;)

So, it seems to me that people want to help, they just needed "a little nudge out of the door", so to speak, and some simple instructions from "the top" ;)

On Wiadmości, the main news programme on the state channel TVP1 they told about the history of this bulding in Austria that hosted Polish martial law refugees, Hungarian refugees (from 1956 I can imagine) and now it's hosting something like 4000 refugees (it's meant for little over 1000 people, so there are also people in tents outside and it's getting cold).

I was moved by the story of one man from Iraq who is now living in one of those tents with his little kids...
He told the Polish reporter that he came here because under ISIS he can't do his job - he's a barber and because of some crazy religious rules he can't cut hair or beards or sth (I don't remember exactly, it was too ridiculous for me to remember).

And then he took out his most precious possession hidden in a cast sealed with duct tape so it wouldn't fall out - his tools of trade - old school barber tools, a razor, scissors...

I felt like hugging the guy...

Or this man who lost his leg in an explosion and was walking all the way on crutches until someone gave him a cart for children...

I've also seen fragments of some documentary on Youtube in which an Afghan woman said she came to Italy because her daughters couldn't go to school in Afghanistan since girls are attacked for going to school, burned with acid and she wanted her girls to be educated...

When one starts to listen to those people's stories they start to become people in one's eyes, people like me or you, like my dad or my mum, like my grandma or my grandpa, like my brother, cousins, etc... and not Christians, Muslims, Syrians, Afghans or... numbers... quotas...

Just saying...


I just wanted to show what may be one of the reasons behind the post-communist countries being so adamant in refusing to accept arbitrary quotas, especially if they are being forced to do this by blackmail with "you should do as you're told" attitude. Noone in those countries would like the EU to become the second Soviet Union, I suspect.


He means the guy who complained in a letter about living conditions - he was brought from Syria to Poland by Estera Foundation (among those 50 families). It was discussed in the thread.


I've already explained it to you that Spain isn't comparable to Poland.
And, anyway, we don't really know yet how many refugees each country will take, so I would advise everyone to wait and see.


I see there's some misunderstanding here.

800 000 - that's a number of refugees expected to apply for asylum in Germany by the end of this year.
Out of those 800 000 probably around 400 000 are going to be refugees from Syria.
The rest will be economic migrants, apparently mainly from the Balkans. They will be sent back home, because their countries are considered to be safe by Germany.

Such are the estimates.

Germany stated that it will take in over 30 000 of refugees out of the 160 000 that are already in refugee camps in Greece, Hungary and Spain or Italy. Those quotas that are discussed now are for those 160 000 of refugees - as far as I've understood they are to be relocated throughtout the EU in order to relieve those "transit" countries which are simply not coping anymore.

Source: I've watched "Open Source" on BBC.


I think that in order to keep the "quota" refugees in Poland and "similar countries" those countries would have to be probably excluded from the Schengen Area...


I don't know... Why don't you ask the Tatars? :P


I don't think anyone would like to live in North Korea...

" to keep Poland Polish" - johnny_reb, I have an impression that you know next to nothing both about Poland and about being Polish...


In case anyone would be interested - there's a shortage of doctors in Poland since they go to work in the West. But once on the news a Palestinian guy who married a Polish woman and is working in a Polish hospital said that a trainee doctor (or someone of this kind, I think, I don't remember), like him, earns more where he comes from, despite the fact that his place of origin (the PNA, I suspect) "is considered to be Third World". So one should keep that in mind, I guess :P


20 000 people, not "20%", of course, sorry lol

Just enough to get me in trouble.
I do know that Poles do not like being told what to do.
The anti-immigration protest in Warsaw this Saturday the 12 of September should be no less then interesting.

@Paulina: witam! since you asked me the other day: France has already taken in over 11,000 since 2011 and yet another 24,000+ to come (including 1,000 from Germany within 3 days) so please have the decency not to compare with Poland's ... 50/60 Christian families..... I notice that Spain, very comparable to Poland in population and in economy shall take in around 40-50% more than Poland.

@Polish racists: don't worry since borders are opened in EU, migrants won't stay in Poland but will move to more generous and more tolerant countries so Poland won't end up with 2 or 3 migrants...

The whole word has become a mess and I am really scarred. Where is Obama? Still on vacation? The no.1 responsible for this mess is the US governement and now we don't hear any of them.... Strange?

The countries refusing to help (shame on Poland, they don't mind receiving help from others and Poles don't remember about the 116,000+ Polish refugeess taken in by ... Iran ;)) shall have to pay and that's all. EU need money to help with immigrants and therefore Poland, Hungary and consorts shall help with the bill. Instead of spending EU money to build airports without planes (ex. Radom and soon others), Poland could spend money to help refugees.

The world sees what countries are generous and what countries are selfish.

EU's Commission meets today in Brussels.... ;)

Does the World also see when France/UK bomb Syria?

@Nothanks: what about the 116,000+ Polish refugees taken in by ... Iran during WWII? Since Poland does not want any refugees, they'll have to pay and that's all. So just open your wallet! ;)

PS: what about the hundreds of billions of Euros given to Poland by mostly Germany, France and Britain (respectively)? Poland wants money from everybody but won't do anything to help. Yes, it is selfish....

Poland is taking in Ukrainian refugees. . . .

You act like the migrants from the Middle East would remain in Poland. We both know they would board the first train to Germany

The Bavarians don't usually need much of an excuse to tell teenage girls to dress modestly.

Is there anything that incoming refugees could do that you would actually criticize?

Merged: They don't like it,

Much has been said before I see on this topic but it still compels me to get my tuppence worth in. Having lost four small jobs in total whilst living in London to Polish immigrants who are here not to travel and see the world, not for a working holiday, not to study the English language as millions of Aussies, South Africans, French, Spanish etc have done for decades but to undercut British workers salaries by doing jobs Brits could do for a fraction of the costs.

Driving down salaries, pushing up rents, putting pressure on the infrastructure, contributing nothing to local businesses or the economy as any extra money was duly sent 'home'. Ever since 2004, when the traps were lifted and hundreds of thousands of Poles crammed into National Express coaches, life was made harder for local people by economic immigrants who, recognizing that the UK was a superior place to live, turned their backs on their own country.

I often thought of opening some sort of employment agency and importing hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Indians etc into Poland to do exactly as Polish people have dong doing to the UK workers. See how they like a taste of their own medicine.

Now it transpires that the antagonism that they bestowed upon the UK is not set to be reciprocated and Poland along with Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary et al does not want immigrants conflicting with their way of life and undermining their societies.

The sooner we leave the EU, the sooner we can get back to where we were.

Poland has no issues accepting Ukranian refugees. A different culture, religion and race is too much to ask. If Poland was waging war with these people, then the situation would be different.

A leftist Polish blogger has second thoughts about the "refugees."

While traveling through the Austrian-Italian border, Kamil Bulonis, a gay Left-winger who runs a popular Polish travel blog entitled "citizen of the world", was shocked to find that mainstream media has consistently lied about the illegal immigrants in Europe.

"Half an hour ago on the border between Italy and Austria with my own eyes I saw a great many immigrants ... With all solidarity with people in difficult circumstances I have to say that what I have seen, arouses horror ... " he wrote.

This huge mass of people - and I'm sorry for what I write - but it's an absolute wilderness ... Vulgar, throwing bottles, loud shouts of 'We want Germany' - Germany is now a paradise?

The coach in which I was in, the group tried to push over. **** thrown at us, banging on the door to be opened by the driver, spat on the glass ... I ask you, for what purpose? How is this wilderness to assimilate in Germany? I felt for a moment like in a warzone...

I feel really sorry for these people, but if they reached the Polish - I do not think that they will receive any understanding from us

"The whole group was cordoned by police and transported back to Italy. The coach was butchered, smeared in faeces, scratched, broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea of the demographics? These big powerful hordes of savages? Among them actually there were no women, no children - the vast majority were aggressive young men ..."

Just yesterday, when reading the news on all websites, they subconsciously compassionate, worried about their fate, and today after what I saw, I'm just afraid, and at the same time I'm glad that they do not choose our country as their destination. We Poles are simply not ready to accept these people - neither culturally nor financially. I do not know if anyone is ready.

Never in my short life, have I had the opportunity to watch such scenes and I feel that it is only the start."

whitegenocideproject.com/left-wing-polish-blogger-has-an-awakening-to-illegal-immigrants/

let me channel jon357:

Hey buses get pushed all the time, who among has not thrown feces at people between us and what we want? The sooner they get to Germany and poland the better!


There's something very Soviet about mainstream Polish media coverage of this. There's a lot of assertions about how proper and wonderful it is and not much talk at all about how it's going to be paid for or what the longterm consquences will be.

They all need to secure borders. Any agreement of free movement in eu is between the citizens of eu not just anyone. Hopefully these people will start doing their jobs soon and prevent illigals from crossing borders.

Most people in Western Europe are far from thrilled to take in refugees but IF EU demand that EU member countries do (great speech by J.C. Junker this morning in Brussels ;)), then 28 countries shall OR shall face financial consequences. It is high time that Poland and others understand that EU is not a supermarket and belonging to EU (nobody forced Poland and consorts to become members) is not ONLY receiving money. Poland have received hundreds of billion Euros from Western European taxpayers (I doubt that said taxpayers are thrilled to sponsor Poles) so it is high time Poland shows a tiny bit of solidarity.

As J.C. Junker, 20 million Polish refugees have been taken in by all kinds of countries (including ... Iran, Turkey) so it would be normal that Poland help others.

@Marsu: I understand you live in Australia so obviously you ignore that there are no borders inside the Schengen Zone ;)

Poland has paid a lot to be in the EU - these figures have never been properly assessed but they go in billions too

"Poland have received hundreds of billion Euros"

LOL ! Trillions !

It's time to show Junkers where he can shove up the whole "EU". What I find quite funny is that these muppets concentrate on Hungary or Poland while UK is about to leave the whole damn thing and France will likely see Le Pen as PM.

"so obviously you ignore that there are no borders inside the Schengen Zone ;)"

Hopefully soon the borders will be back.

Poland should show solidarity to the Polish people by leaving the EU. All countries should do that.

@G: 1. you won't decide on borders within EU, 2. how the hell can le pen (which means "the head" in bretton) become PM when at most they do ... 20% (;) and 3. don't talk about what you don't know.

Poland has joined the EU and therefore has to comply to EU's rules and that's all.

Absolutely @InPolska. These right-wing pond-dwellers love to moan about immigration but rarely have much concept of reality. Best in some ways to avoid the thread and let them whine among themselves, while the real world gets on with dealing with the humanitarian issues.