Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Seeing that Jews are considering Auschwitz their sole memento and almost their property so to speak, I would ask how much they pitched in for the upkeep of the site for the last 70 years? Zero?

Also you are wrong Lyzko, somebody came up with a plan to build a market or a disco whichever nearby the site and that actually didn't involve razing anything at all.

Some people on websites could express that idea seeing as Auschwitz instead of being a conciliatory ground is being used to hit Poles for imaginary crimes by any Jew so inclined.

Stick to the topic please

In fact, Ironside, I'm not completely INcorrect either! Apparently, revenue trumps remembrance in the eyes of the government.
This is understandable, though also unforgivable shortsighted. Again, empathy fatigue cloaked in the guise of "practical, economic" considerations sounds to any survivor like just one more excuse:-)

Sorry. I thought it was. Slip of the finger I reckon.

Fun times in Scandinavia

youtube.com/watch?v=JdXUmIoP768
^ Muslims grenade attacking each other in Sweden

youtube.com/watch?v=gLej_rBpcC4
^ Muslims demanding in Denmark

*I watch these and am SO PROUD to be POLISH. NIE DAJ SIE POLSKA! *

Well, if you import 3rd worlders, your country is slowly turning into 3rd world, obvious thing.

Regarding V4 betrayal... Kopacz stinking villager will be gone soon, so it's not all lost...

You are ranting! What is has to do with anything? Eh?

the problem is that Merkel and the EU orders Poland about and those peasants called Polish government obey, they should be punished

In response to na IBRIS poll asking who would be thre best PM to deal with the refugee crisis, 30% voted for Szydło and Kopacz got 28%. Tusk and Kukiz each got 5% support and Miller. Kaczyński and Korwin -- 3%. The rest were undecided.

The film and pictures of 'refugees' camping out in a Serbian cemetery in a very disrespectful way will not make anyone in Poland like them any more. How will such people ever be in a position to be a burden on any country they find themselves in?

People who don't believe in the leftist ideology of the German do-gooders are automatically neo-Nazis? Wish it would be that easy.


About time.

That's a curious result, I would've expected Szydło to score higher.

Found this article by Schetyna, and I agree with it.

politico.eu/article/sel-eu-borders-poland-migration-refugees/

We will know more later tonight, but it seems as if Poland has agreed to take refugees in exchange for a significant toughening of the EU border. They will vanish within weeks anyway, but Poland will have found a way to strengthen the ridiculously weak southern borders. A good bit of diplomacy, perhaps?

@TheOther,

No, it's not merely that too many Germans (along with Hungarians, Poles and others) have become disenchanted with the business-as-usual tone of their elected officials, it's that they've lost faith in the basic covenant with democracy, long a cornerstone of post-war civilization!! There have started to appear far too many chinks in the armor of civility for this poster's taste, sadly proving to be but a thin veneer between bold, proactive ideology and barbarism.

The pity, indeed, the tragedy is not that these migrants have to seek refuge in Europe, rather that their own country cannot shelter and house its own and must send them out into a hostile world.

While I understand the attitude of many Europeans, one of these days, not long into the future, some might start asking themselves whether or not those kumbaya-leftwingers we so readily sneer at might not have been the one saving grace after all:-)

I personally believe EU is antidemocratic (I can't wait till it collapses ;)) and either in EU or elsewhere, it is logical that people react against their governments when not happy with their decisions. However, as regards to extremism, no one can deny that Germans have a solid tradition hereof ;);). When we see them, in particular in East Germany, easy to freak out ;)

The reason why the German government attracts so many refugees is of course because need for (cheap) labor. Germans don't have kids, their population is falling and by 2030 Germany shall need 6 million new workers (to pay for Germans' retirements and also to have Germany economy keep going). Merkel is concerned about that. Germany needs immigrants.

I don't think it needs to collapse, it does needs to scale back a lot of its activities. Free movement of people and services - very good. Micro-managing and regulating everything under the sun - not so good.

A good start would be to junk about 60% of the bureaucratic institutions. Most of them are completely unnecessary (like the European Parliament - how much does it cost versus what does it accomplish?)

Poland has benefitted enormously from EU membership, the trick will be in recognizing when it's time to disinvest....


Maybe you're too young to remember the panic about the "population bomb" about 50-40 years ago. There was a huge propaganda push for people to stop having children and/or have far fewer children. And now it turns out that the people who paid attention to it were suckers? That poor semi-literate peasants were right and the environmental alarmists were wrong? I wonder if there's any lesson there for global warming?

The challenge in the modern world is finding ways to make shrinking populations work financially. Importing a bunch of people without much chance of ever being able to find work is not going to do that.

I think there is evidence that Merkel's Folly was at least partly provoked by German business interests who want to break unions and short circuit the law of supply and demand in terms of labor. But it's an outdated model. The modern world needs smarter economies, not necessarily constantly growing ones (especially of the parts of the population that are growing tend to have low social capital).

They don't need shelters, they need people! Sorry to say that but Europe is being demoralized. The level of education is dramatically fallen down, while the financial and any other demands are growing. Under such circumstances Europe can't be competitive on the world market anymore, so accepting frightened, obedient and partly well-educated people sounds like a perfect solution. The real problems will start when their children will grow up in the Germany and they will be formally Germans, but I'm afraid Germans are not ready to accept that all german citizens regardless their ethnicity are equall, they are very happy to accept Syrians as employees, but I'm not sure if they are ready for Syrians employer/ bosses/ superiors.

No they don't. They need to rethink some economic issues like retirement, welfare and wages. A "shortage of labor" means "employers are not paying enough". Immigrant labor is a way that business concerns can make an end run around supply and demand. Look up the idea of 'privatizing profits' and 'socializing losses'.


"progressives" have been in charge of education in Germany for how long? This is a very damning indictment.


Western Europe has still not gotten over the trauma of WWII (and there's a lot of people who like that). Eastern Europe does much better since the harshness of communist rule made them more ... immune to ideas of collective guilt.


Concerns of the European market should take priority in Europe.


None of those words describes the vast majority of those coming to Europe now. They're not frightened about risking death on the ocean or marching acorss a continent and they're not obedient when it comes to laws that displease them (like border crossings) and the educational statistics for the Middle East (and the muslim world in general) are very, very dismal.

@Maf: "I am "too Young"!!!! I wish I were ;) . More seriously, the EU not only is undemocratic (too many unelected incompetent overpaid as..holes who tell us what to do, too much bureaucracy, refusal to consider their people's votes - how many times did the Irish and the Dutch have their votes cancelled because not "suitable to EU"? How about French voters' refusal by 55% of the EU constitution in 2005?) but also mostly benefit the former Eastern countries (billions of euros given to them, western companies closing in the West and therefore leading to unemployment in their home countries to open subs in Eastern Europe in order to have cheap labor).

If most Western Europeans are against EU, it is no coincidence ;). Of course, they would never organize votes ;).

Ditto


Really? In what way? As far as know that not only got over it but almost totally forgot about facts.Collective guilt? What are you talking about>?


Bankers and corporation should be stomped on they behind the curtains influence is too great!


Hey where are your respective governments eh? After all if Germany and France do not agree on something it will not pass in the EU, so don't give me that nonsense on blaming it all on the EU, you are the EU!


Are you Fekking delusional? Leaving in the ivory tower? How is that benefits Poland? Polish heavy industry have been annihilated, factories, shipbuilding, electronic cased to exist! mass media are in the hands of German capital in 90%, banks in 99% foreign hands, big markets killing local family owned shops foreign in 90%, that all means a bunch of money, billions upon billions are being transfered form Poland annually.

If you mean that EU doesn't benefit average people, hell, do you realize what crappy monies majority of Poles are being paid? Your average frenchie wouldn't scratch his are for that kind of money.

Sure, they are building few roads and few bridges and lift up few houses in the town center (in some places) but it is being funded by the EU in 50% plus whoever is venturing to build something has to add half of the cost, meaning dome local idiots are putting people in red, (and their progeny and fools don't even realize it,)in the same foreign owned bank, which will transfer profits abroad.

How being deeper into debt is benefiting Poland? Can yo explain that?
Can you explain how EU is benefiting an average Pole?


Sure and being a cheap labor is so beneficial to Poles. Threw in some French prostitutes and one or two watches on the top of bananas and that solve the problem. eh?


Sure they have too much to loose, after-all, overwhelming majority of them are living life of leisure of luxury in comparison it to those pesky easter Europeans, Polish framers getting 1/3 of founds given to French farmers should be happy they are getting anything at all, eh?

It was annihilated long before Poland joined the EU.


Many of which were being kept artificially alive through local funding. I know one example where a factory was being funded to the tune of over 2 million zloty a year by the local gmina. EU entry came with strict rules on funding these things, and so the factory went. That 2 million was around 30% of the gmina funding for the year. And you think it's a bad thing that those factories went and were replaced with modern Western ones?


Which was entirely based on cheap steel being produced with heavily subsidised Soviet iron ore and heavily subsidised coal. By the way, there are plenty of other shipyards doing just fine - Remontowa in Gdansk has been a success story over the last 11 years for instance.

Strange to see you promote socialist economics, Ironside.


You honestly think Poland could compete for mass market electronic equipment? Do you have any idea of the amount of capital needed?


Nice to know - I've always said that Gazeta Polska and the others were being funded by foreign backers.


Oh Ironside, it's not a surprise that you love PiS so much when your numbers are picked out of the sky.


Most of those local shops deserve to die anyway. One woman sulked because I wanted to pick up a letter at 4.45 and the shop closed at 5. Why the hell should I give her my business when the local supermarket has far superior customer service?


Crappy compared to what? Poles are still ridiculously rich compared to most on this planet. If they want more cash, they have to be worth it - and many people (even Poles) say that the productivity level of the average Pole is shockingly low.


More bollocks. That was in 2004, not now.

Ironside, for a man who claims to be so anti-communism, you seem to have a strong desire to return to how things were.

Seems that Germany and France want to crush whatever sovereignty states in EU have left by exploit that crisis by acting against the EU laws and regulations.

The whole idea that nationalism is inherently evil and inevitably leads to war and genocide. Singing the national anthem one week leads to death camps the next. Also check the loathesome Barbara Specter's pronouncements. It's hard for people indoctrinated in that kind of system to tell migrants: You're in our country now! You have to follow our rules or get the f*8k out! (which needs to be the message that immigrants get, toned down for politeness sake). Multiculturalism leads to far worse conflicts that a clear set of dominant values.

There's a difference between healthy and unhealthy nationalism. Healthy nationalism helped Poland bring down the Iron Curtain (unhealthy nationalism sunk Jugoslavia into war).


Halt benefit payments and tell them that their claims cannot be processed in Germany that there's a new center opening in (whatever country can be bribed into setting up camps) and watch them leave. Is that any more heartless than bringing them en masse to a culture in which they're more or less certainly doomed to failure and dependency?


Yep. That's surely what it seems like.Why should Poland pay any attention to entities that are so clearly actively hostile to any form of Polish sovereignty?

I think the difference is in leadership. Some leaders use it to motivate people to achieve higher goals (economical and educational for example) and some others use to to motivate people to hate or kill.


A lot of these people are running away from camps. They don't want camps. They want a chance at a normal life where their children can go to school and grow up like normal children.

My exact thoughts.
The real sad part are the statistics that seldom make the news such as;
"Fighting in Syria has traumatized the Middle East, killing at least 250,000 people and provoking hundreds of thousands of people to seek refuge in Europe."

Then to have the "economic immigrants" coming from safe countries to take advantage of such misery and suffering to invade and plug up the only means of escape for the Syrian war refugees.

The "economic refugees" are being enticed into the E.U. by the Socialistic Welfare Programs.
The "Syrian War refugees are seeking refuge to merely stay alive.
Live ammo is the only deterrent to turn back the "economic invaders".

The thing with EU is that when Poland (or other "homophobic/anti-semitic" country) wants to support own companies/industries, these are illegal subsidies... but when Gerries (or other "enlightened" country) do the same then it is splendid support for innovation... The same goes for new regulations, policies, further integration and so on, just take a look at talks about common purchases of military equipment... to lower price per unit and so on...

After their parents break how many border laws? Doing how much damage to Greece's tourist industry (the only part of their economy that used to work)? After they strew the continent with trash and defile cemetaries they're somehow going to become normal in a very alien culture full of things they're socialized to view as immoral?

How does this follow?

You are making many generalizations & assumptions here. As if "they" were all cast in the same mold. As if you knew every one of them and knew their social values.

If your children are at risk, wouldn't you break "borders laws"?

As much as you can find negative images of "them" you can also find positive images of refugees that have settled and contributed to their new countries. You can dig and find millions of bad images and millions of good images. It is all down to what the media wants to show you and to serve what agenda.

Poland shouldn't give in to pressure to accept "refugees"! That set a precedence and will be hard to undo short of quiting the EU, a necessary step not many people in Poland embrace and understand its necessity as yet. Time will change it I hope.

Of course that other countries have their shares too, of course that Germany is not guilty for the refugee's crisis or at least not more than any other country from so called "north" of the world, of course that Germany has done a lot in the recent crisis and the scenes from the station in Munich were truly heart touching, but the Germany is guilty for the quality of the debate over the decision on the accepting refugees which was far from the democratic standards. Germany was the one who stole the morality, the German's politics were the one who presented black and white view of the world: good guys are with us and accept the decision, bad guys are against, without any space for discussion, the German's politics were the one who wanted to punish for not agreeing with the draft of the decision or some even wanted to use the force against them. If the Germany wanted to present themselves as the soul of the Europe, it shouldn't be surprised that it's "sins" are judged more severely.

They are not as there is going to be another anti- Muslim refugee march to be held in Katowice this FRIDAY September 25.
The last anti - Muslim refugee march in Warsaw had 30,000 people march in protest and yet Poland's leaders agreed to take Muslim refugees in while talking out of one side of their mouth and then from the other side of their mouth they talk solidarity.


Polish government won't quit the E.U. in fear their allowance would be cut off.

So pretty much the same as PEGIDA in Germany, if your numbers are correct. Interestingly, the demonstrators in Poland are probably called patriots or nationalists, while the same folks over in Germany are called neo-Nazis. Just shows how manipulative European politicians and the media are these days.

Except for back stabbing our neighbors, I am content with how Polish Leadership handled the crisis. But the battle is not over, I would certainty attend the march