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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Marsupial
25 Sep 2015  #1261

Who cares anyway we all know these are just minorities demonstrating they match the minority views on forums.

johnny reb
25 Sep 2015  #1262

we all know

"WE" do aye. lol

Marsupial
25 Sep 2015  #1263

Yes we all do the silent majority because it's really only tbe extreme views who are posting. It always surprises minorities that they dont know what normal people are thinking until they vote. Certainly if you are part of that your doing the right thing by excluding ypurself from 'we'.

delphiandomine
25 Sep 2015  #1264

Interestingly, the demonstrators in Poland are probably called patriots or nationalists, while the same folks over in Germany are called neo-Nazis.

They're only called patriots by people who haven't got a clue about their real agenda. I doubt a single one of them has ever helped out in a school, helped old people or in fact did a single thing to help Poland. Being called a nationalist here is a very dirty word.

The last anti - Muslim refugee march in Warsaw had 30,000 people march in protest

Stop with that myth. They self-reported 10,000 and the city reported 7,000.

Who cares anyway we all know these are just minorities demonstrating they match the minority views on forums.

Pretty much. Forums always tend to attract extreme views.

mafketis
25 Sep 2015  #1265

You are making many generalizations & assumptions here.

There is no other way to set policy than by making generalizations and assumptions.... no wait there is! You can just run off your mouth like Merkel and nothing bad could possibly happen.

My iron rule of immigration is that immigrants tend to act in their new country the same way they acted before they got there. So, it's a good idea for politicians to pay attention to that so that they know what they're getting their countries into.

If your children are at risk, wouldn't you break "borders laws"?

One or two, yes. Would I keep entering country after country after I'm safe and away from the conflict? I like to think that I have more respect for the law than that.

A lot of these people are running away from camps. They don't want camps. They want a chance at a normal life where their children can go to school and grow up like normal children.

And there's no country between Syria (ruined by Syrians, I note) and benefits-rich Germany that they can do that? I'm sure that the people of Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Hungary, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia and Austria are flattered.....

A big problem is that the "help the refugees!" people don't see them as real human beings with their own interests and own goals. I do. And I'm betting those interests and goals don't align very well with traditional Western European values like separation of church and state and legal equality between the sexes and civic rather than purely family based morality.

Wulkan
25 Sep 2015  #1266

Stop with that myth. They self-reported 10,000 and the city reported 7,000.

So that gives around 8,500

mafketis
25 Sep 2015  #1267

Is there an agenda among the elites to dilute national sovereignty and to lessen social cohesion?

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

hmmmmm

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

Notice that there's no explanation of why multiculturalism is supposed to be good, it's presented as a given that needs no justification.

At present Poland is one of the most homogenous countries in the EU in terms of language and culture, yet it's not falling apart at the seams. That's got to rankle places that have gone all in on multiculturalism and don't have anything to show for it besides more interesting fast food......

You added that all on your own. Show me the statistic on how many of them claim they are from Syria.

Then most of them are not fleeing war and are not refugees. Just being Iraqi or Afghani (even if being from those countries sucks) doesn't qualify for asylum.

But asylum is, in the modern world, just like any other consumer good. If you say you're in the market for refugees from a particular country don't be surprised if a bunch of people from other countries show up too, either actively passing themself off as being from that country or just hoping to worm their way in amid the chaos.

People respond to incentives and Europe is setting wrong incentives regarding people fleeing dysfunctional countries.

johnny reb
25 Sep 2015  #1268

I mis spoke:

there is going to be another anti- Muslim refugee march to be held in Katowice this FRIDAY September 25.

The anti Muslim refugee PROTEST in Katowice will be tomorrow Saturday September 26th.
I was straightened out on that early this morning with a phone call from Poland.
My Polish friends are telling me that the overwhelming majority of Poles do not want Muslims in Poland.
I know a couple of die hards here disagree but each to his/her own.
If anyone attends please post pictures or a video as we know the bias media is bought and paid for by the government.
Stay strong Poland, stay pure Poland, keep Poland Polish.

delphiandomine
25 Sep 2015  #1269

My Polish friends are telling me that the overwhelming majority of Poles do not want Muslims in Poland.

Except we've already taken something like 200,000 Chechen refugees.

mafketis
25 Sep 2015  #1270

That's different, the benefit of p[ssing off Russia outweighs any negatives (for most Polish governments).

Polonius3
25 Sep 2015  #1271

200,000 Chechen refugees

I've been hearing from 90,000 to 100,000 Chechens, but regardless of the exact figure, where are they? Have they assimilated, set up their own ghetto-like communities, left the Poland or what?

delphiandomine
25 Sep 2015  #1272

Might be cynical of me to say so, but I think the vast majority are in Germany. I've never met anyone of Chechen origins, at least.

TheOther
25 Sep 2015  #1273

we all know these are just minorities demonstrating

Unfortunately, these minorities can very quickly turn into a majority once the regular folks start believing in their propaganda, as history has shown. If Europe doesn't get the refugee crisis under control, it will soon get really dangerous.

Ironside
25 Sep 2015  #1274

Unfortunately, these minorities can very quickly turn into a majority once the regular folks start believing in their propaganda,

Whatever do you mean? Europe do not need Muslims, that clear, or at least do not need them any more. Definitely Poland doesn't need them and what more doesn't need them as ordered by Germany and their henchmen.

TheOther
25 Sep 2015  #1275

Whatever do you mean?

Well, isn't that obvious? If politicians in Europe do not get this crisis under control quickly, far right parties will soon be elected across the continent. We all know how that can end, don't we?

Ironside
25 Sep 2015  #1276

The EU will end up in a bin? That good news.

gumishu
25 Sep 2015  #1277

Have they assimilated, set up their own ghetto-like communities, left the Poland or what?

most have left for the West - there is just a couple of thousand of those who remained in Poland many still in asylum seeker centres

Grzegorz_
25 Sep 2015  #1278

I've been hearing from 90,000 to 100,000 Chechens, but regardless of the exact figure, where are they?

I doubt more than 5 thousand are still in Poland. Vast majority either live in western Europe or came back to Russia. The only well known person out of that wave is the MMA guy. A major difference between them and Arabs, they all are fluent in Russian, so can easily pick up Polish, the MMA guy went to univ here (classes in Polish) less than a year after arriving as far as I remember.

Crow
26 Sep 2015  #1279

During the endless discussions on this forum, i told many Anglos that would they pay dearly for they side by side with worse Arab mujaheedines, invaded Serbians and Slavic world. i told them how are they deeply wrong. i told them that Poles won`t follow them when realize truth.

johnny reb
26 Sep 2015  #1280

Any news on Polond t.v. with the anti-Muslim refugee protest that is going on in Katowice today ?

Polsyr
26 Sep 2015  #1281

Damn you JR for making me turn on the

Polond t.v.

. But no, there is nothing as of now. I'll let you know if they mention anything in the evening news.

evening news

And nothing in the evening news on TVN and TVP.

Tamarisk
26 Sep 2015  #1282

Anti-Immigrant march and protest in Katowice

katowice.naszemiasto.pl/artykul/marsz-przeciw-imigrantom-w-katowicach-zdjecia-protest,3521633,artgal,t,id,tm.html

Chemikiem
26 Sep 2015  #1283

Around 5000 Poles marched in Katowice according to this :-

ruptly.tv/vod/view/35213/poland-drone-captures-thousands-strong-anti-immigration-rally-in-katowice

johnny reb
26 Sep 2015  #1284

Poland shouldn't give in to pressure to accept "refugees"!

The people aren't as you can see by these protests.
It's the Polish government selling it's people out (to keep the EU money coming in) as they talk solidarity.

Who cares anyway we all know these are just minorities demonstrating they match the minority views on forums.

WHAT ! Look at the video's and pictures of thousands of Polish protesters (the majority) hardly a minority. lol
Clearly the majority on this forum are anti - Muslim economic refugee invaders contrary to the minority popular belief.

delphiandomine
26 Sep 2015  #1285

The people aren't as you can see by these protests.

5,000 people turning up in a metropolis of officially 2 million, 2.7 according to Eurostat and which is part of the bigger Upper Silesia metropolis of 5.3 million is really not an achievement.

Crow
26 Sep 2015  #1286



Let me paraphrase Polish brat above and openly and calmly say: ``EU is k***a``.

Polsyr
26 Sep 2015  #1287

5,000 people

Only 1000 according to katowice.naszemiasto.pl, 300-400 according to the police commissioner in Katowice.

The 5000 figure was first mentioned by a someone offering to sell drone video footage, claiming an estimated 5000 people could be seen, and from there the number was quoted repeatedly.

Regardless; 1k or 5k or even 50k, that is nothing in a metropolis of 2.7 million and certainly nothing remotely close to a majority.

johnny reb
26 Sep 2015  #1288

certainly nothing remotely close to a majority.

Really, then we will wait and see how many show up and protest in support and do a percentage break down.
Clearly from the pictures well over 5,000 which is a success to show the government their disgust.

Polonius3
26 Sep 2015  #1289

their disgust.

In an Internet survey asking wwhther the respondent supported the Katowice march, 92% answered in the affirmative, 7% said "no" and 1% had no opinion.

katowice.naszemiasto.pl/artykul/marsz-przeciw-imigrantom-w-katowicach-zdjecia-protest,3521633,artgal,t,id,tm.html

delphiandomine
27 Sep 2015  #1290

In an Internet survey asking wwhther the respondent supported the Katowice march, 92% answered in the affirmative, 7% said "no" and 1% had no opinion.

I wouldn't take such polls seriously, as they tend to get hijacked.

Highly unlikely that 92% are going to support ultra-nationalists in reality, not least because they don't feature in any political polls.


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