Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Oh no, those "nouveaux riches" do not think of themselves as ... poor and they are right because they have tons of money. What Sparks (?) and I say is that even among the "elites", Poles are mostly against taking in refugees so no need to even bother checking what they think in Polska B. I would think fewer than 5% of Poles are in favor of taking in refugees, considering what we hear and we read in Poland and that in Western European countries, fewer than 50% are. Logical! Poland is a closed society and cannot accept people looking different and living in different ways.

I look at Poland. I am NOT saying it's good or it's bad. Denying reality does not change it! ;)

Well, Alf hence Poles can sense totalitarian ideology in the bud when they see it and do not cave in to neo-Marxists ideologies.

Israel introduced law that allows immigrants to be arrested and to keep them in jail up to three years without trial. Namely it is about Africans, any Israeli citizen who would help them can get jail time from 5 to 15 years.

Why don't you go on Israeli or Jewish forum and spew your wisdom there?


That is a nonsense coming form somebody who doesn't have to life among those living in different ways ( Muslim areas in France)but like to preach.

I have already repeatedly told you why Poles do not want Muslims in Poland. They have about 80 000 Vietnamese, not much problem, 500 000 Ukrainians nobody is protesting, so what the hell are you talking about?

Western societies right now don't want any immigrants regardless European or African but dare not to talk about due to PC dictate curtailing freedom of speech, they dare not to utter a word against blacks or Muslim (and afraid of legal of repercussion ) instead some are venting against Europeans.

Poles being poorer few times over and with a lower standard of living have nothing against European immigrant be those form the EU or those form outside EU or even those from Asia.

That must be said.

I really hate these blanket statements. Most people I know have no problem with educated, hard working Muslims that will integrate. They have problems with the type of Muslim that turns up on the Hungarian border attacking the police because they want their German cash - and rightfully so.

I suppose Ironside has NO personal experience whatsover. I have lived with probably over 50 different nationalities, with all religions, with all colors, you-name-it, I have had them because this is the way it is because as everybody interacts with everybody. And yes, Delph, most muslims are completely integrated and make no problems (only a tiny minority does but of course media only talk about those and do not talk about the huge majority).

And I think the most sensible compromise is to accept people, but to make it crystal clear to anyone that claims asylum that it's a "one-strike-and-you're-outta-here" policy. Caught jaywalking? Time to go home. Caught breaking the speed limit? Likewise.

Those are not blanked statements, Poland is not a country for Muslims, saying that there are few Muslims newcomers, nobody is making fuss about them as long as their are exception rather than a rule. All those smart-asses western European country mainly Germany and France can take Muslims it will do they good, better Muslim than totalitarian secularist. :)

From birth on and in almost everything in daily life ... and guess what, never problem! ;). If you dare experiencing yourself, you would know that at least 90% are ok and are good and respectable citizens. I know that media appealing to extremists ONLY talk about those making problems. Since obviously you don't know anything and prefer to stick to your clichés, no need to talk to you....

sorry for interrupting discussion. i have one question. What should be official position, what number of refugees should be maximal number for country that has number of populations such have Poland?

Anyone?

I have already said they can be the most wonderful people on the whole planet that is not the point!

@Iron: most of them, especially when born in Western Europe, are completely integrated and also secular or even atheist (situation in France since regular religous practicing, ALL religions in only 15%). They do not cause problems. A tiny minority does make problems and of course medias such as what you rely on ;) only talk about the scum. Of course, police and justice deal with trouble makers.

I personally would have to say you look at Poland as bad by the statements you make about it concerning accepting Muslim refugees.

@InPolska
I rest my case.

I'm not sure I buy this. All of the statistics I've ever seen indicate that, in Europe, muslim populations underperform vis a vis other segments of society by a very significant degree. Usually a majority, sometimes large majority, is dependent on state benefits.

There is extensive data on muslim migration to Western Europe (from a variety of sources) and the story everywhere is pretty much the same. Yes, there are some very welcome individual success stories. But these are set against a larger story of collective failure and dysfunction (with muslims leading with the field of imported dysfunctions like honor killings and female genital mutiliation)* not to mention the practice of cousin marriage (mostly a gulf arab and pakistani thing AFAIK) leading to very high ratios of birth defects.

If there's a single country where a majority of the non-muslim population is happy about the contributions of the muslim section I've yet to hear of it.

*neither practice is limited to muslims, but in Europe they're responsible for 95% of honor killings and probably even higher percentages of fgm.

There's an English saying charity begins at home". Many Poles feel that Poland's first obligation is to the descendants of Polish victims of Stalin's ethnic cleansing who were deported to eastern Ukraine and now live in an unpredictable off-and-on war zone. Thousands of them want to come to Poland, so shouldn't they be dealt with first?

But Polonius, why didn't they get the Karta Polaka years ago? The door is wide open to them...

mafketis, so true. 4 years of research by 2 university professors in Sweden, of all the immigrants (4260) involved in the research, 93% were unemployed. Let's introduce a ''no benefits for the first 6 months'' rule, how many still want to come? There will of course be those few success stories of how 9 year old Abdul lost his mother and father as a child but ''now look'' he's just left university but on the whole they won't integrate, they will split up and live in they're own communities.

As I've said before, don't worry about them coming to Poland, It's not about where they are put but they will decide where they want to be.

polo, agree totally, look after your own first,

Yawn. Vast majority of Poles do NOT want them here, it's a fact you can't change no matter how hard you try to spin it. There were demonstrations yesterday in like a dozen of cities. The reason why crowds attending aren't that huge are:

* very small media coverage
* they are often organized by ONR types that majority here do not want to be associated with and more centrist people do not have yet any "platform" to organize such events.

~90% of Poles are against bringing Arabs here not because they are "not white" but because of damn load of more practical issues including things like "If Gerries invited them, let'em keep them instead of forcing them upon us".

BTW I don't understand what's the whole problem with housing these people. Didn't we hear just few weeks ago how there are countless people all across Europe willing to take them home ? Where are they now ? Or perhaps there have never been many of them... ?

I don't know why on earth the video link I made yesterday worked and today it doesn't, why would mod change it? I put it again.

youtube.com/watch?v=jIaGWURONRU

Delph, they only have to get a cat and you cannot deport them, even rapists cannot be deported from the UK, they claim artical 8, a right to a family life, is their "Human Right". The ECHR would hammer Poland if they tried to send them home.

The ECHR has no connection to the EU, so it can be safely ignored, just like France has done for years.

stop EU pressure on Poland!

Correct me if I am wrong here.

Poland is a member of the EU ? Free movement is one of the four freedoms of the EU, therefore, any Muslim living in any EU country can freely come to Poland at at any time and have always been able to, but they don't come because they have no interest in it.

Muslims generally go to countries, like most Poles do, that offer prosperity, Poland doesn't so they don't come.

I think Poland has more in common with Russia than Western Europe, a bit like we, the UK have more in common and share similar outlooks with the USA, and America is am old colony kind of like how Poland is an old Russian one.

I still think the eastern bloc countries should not have been allowed to join the EU, it is situations like this that highlight the major differences between east and western Europe.

Do you understand what going on Alf or is it going over your head? True majority of Muslims do not have interest to come to Poland but the EU and Germany wants to put 10 000 of them to Poland regardless of their wishes and hopes and hence we have a problem. Do you get it now?


I kindly need to correct you here, no, Poland has more in common with European Christian culture that with Russia which is not a part of European culture.


You may have more in common with the USA in that sense that your economy started as more competitive and less government influenced than economy of France or Germany. Ah and the same lingo, other than that - nah!

American has became classes society pretty fast whereas you regained that class structure till late 20th century.


Phew! the Thirteen colonies was British colony. T's was 260 years ago, time to get it over.


I don't really know what you want to say here, I think you don't know yourself. If you are implying that Poland had been somehow created by Russia. When a country that is now Russia has been born Poland had been a part of the Christendom for 300 years.


Hey but western countries need its resources and market to keep standard of living of their lower classes and to improve their economical standing. Not to mention to nip in the bud possible competition on international markets.

You are not that silly to believe in propaganda, do you? When western countries done something out of goodness of their heads or just it was the right thing to do? Never?

Yes, I agree, Poland and other countries of the region shouldn't be joying the EU. That for certain, I'm all for Poland and other countries of the region to leave the EU pronto.

So let's keep it that way. That would be a win-win then. What's the problem ?


There is no doubt about it.

How I wish the UK would leave the EU, our referendum is soon let's hope it happens.

The EU has seen unprecedented influx of migrants, refugees what ever you want to call them they're here. Poland as a member of the EU will take its quota as the EU tells it.

No, Poland DOES have more in common with Russia it is its old master and has instilled its culturale values and mindset into the Polish people quiet successful I must say.

America doesn't have a class structure ! Imagine thinking that, shows how little you know. England has a class structure, it's still here today.

I do understand how Pole's feel and I do get it. We were and are same, we were invaded in that way in the mid 2000s, so I understand how you feel about refugees coming with a backward mentality and no integration etc.

Let's all hope for our own countries sake and culture that the German EU ideal ends soon and everyone goes where they belong and we can all close our borders and just let to be ourselves, like we all were 20 yrs ago before mass immigration.

I remember my youth with my English friends and work mates before the trash arrived and ruined it, nonone wants that do they.

So if your country has a referendum vote NO you don't want it anymore.

What a load of BS !

I also live amongst dozens of nationalities and I can assure you that MOST muslims do not integrate at all !! They choose not to.

Actually, let's backtrack this argument a little bit.

Many, if not most of the people landing on the shores of Italy and Greece are not even from Syria and many of them are not refugees-have you noticed how few women there are ? It's mostly young men.

Are they being asked to prove their nationality when they arrive ? Do they have ID papers with them ? Have ANY of the self-proclaimed "refugees" been sent back for failing to prove their refugee status ?

The answer, I suspect, to the above questions is "NO".

So this shifts the question from "should Poland accept refugees" to "should Poland accept people who want to come to Europe for a better life but are not in danger in their own countries" ? It then becomes a question of migration and in that respect we already have well established laws and procedures for anyone who wants to enter another country. The current crisis makes a mockery of all the ID checks at airports when all they have to do is rent a dinghy, pack it with 50 people and land on a European shore.

The more relevant question that Europe needs to be discussing is how do we react when people from outside Europe decide they want to move here just for an easier life ? Should we respect every person's right to better their life and allow them to settle here or do we insist on fixed quotas of people settling in Europe from other countries and ensure that those numbers are strictly controlled ?

Maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Most countries are run by this or that oligarchs there is not much of a distinction between them, but historically other than that it was American were there were not class barriers, money that what mattered, whereas in England you still have all ruling classes and inherited wealth going back for centuries, and you don't have class structure in that sense that more and more of those who used to be middle class do not differ from working class and working class starts to look more and more like yobbs.

I'm talking about reality not self-delusion.


Poland does have more with Soviet Union in that sense that that totalitarian regime instead their puppets in Poland, exterminating Polish elite, and have been occupying this country for four decades. What you talking about is Soviet not Russian cultural traits.

Courtesy to Western countries who betrayed Poland twice during few years of the WWII.


Your government have been bringing immigrants to Britain since late 50'. They could have postpone immigration from the new EU countries for seven years but they chose not to do that and nobody kept a gun to their heads. You seems to be deluding yourself thinking that all share your view, there plenty of Brits who have nothing against bringing in immigrants provided they will work socks off in their factories and firms.

Also there is different which you chose to ignore, they have been invited by your government in your name as that is the way countries and governments works.

They are legal immigrant, working legally and paying taxes, in here we have issue of illegal immigrants - don't see any similarities and if you see any means you are clearly biased.


Yes, let hope, but I would like to point out that in Britain still after they leave the EU plenty of immigrants say, not only form Europe but those who came and still are coming form outside Europe. Short of becoming Lord Protector and revolution you wouldn't be able to kick all of them, some, possible 50% but all - no.


Yeah, those years ..... Point is even 20 years ago England were full of immigrants. Maybe not in some P...on Steam little hole in Midlands and last but not least if England was ruined it was ruined by the English people.

You have a lot of trash of your own you know that don't you?


I have voted NO before my country joined that German EU and if there will be referendum in the future I definitely will vote NO!

I hope Britain will vote - NO in 2017!

Anyone who claims they do integrate has no credibility

2 Events explain Poland's current situation

A) Poland being obliterated by the Nazis because of its large Jewish population

B) Not being properly reconstructed during Cold War

If Poland had a 50+ year headstart on Post-WW2 reconstruction then it would be a superior economic nation today and would have little say on migrants staying or going.

What you label "Russian culture values" I just consider common sense in 2015. Western Europe & USA are extremes on this planet when it comes to multiculturalism, feminism & homosexuality. Poles have learned from their past, they aren't stuck in an outdated mindset like the Left attempts to paint

Wprost citing Daily Telegraph reporting people being thrown out of their flats in Germany to make room for refugees. That certianly wouldn't go over in Poland.

wprost.pl/ar/522071/Niemcy-Wladze-wyrzucaja-obywateli-z-mieszkan-by-oddac-je-imigrantom

ok...something funny...
so ..polish police came across few immigrants from afganistan in warsaw..they were here 6 months sleeping rough,thinking they are in Germany...hahahaha:
wykop.pl/link/2750539/emigranci-z-afganistanu-zlapani-w-polsce-mysleli-ze-sa-w-niemczech/