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Why AfD is the most important party in Germany



Bratwurst Boy
24 Mar 2019  #91

Maybe its all a moot point soon anyhow....the SPD is moving to the left (where she belongs) and the CDU with AKK (and now JU Kuban) is moving to the right again (where she belongs).

In a few years maybe the Merkel led party-confusion of the last years will be corrected and the german political landscape will have been normalized itself again...then there is no need for extremist parties anymore.

The AfD will get serious and grow out most of their extremists by then and maybe find their place as an East German regional party, concentrating on making policy especially for the Ossis, not unlike the CSU in Bavaria....an interesting coalition party for the Union...who knows...

jon357
24 Mar 2019  #92

Im not racist. I have friends in many countries.

can you see the logical fallacy there?

Weimarer
24 Mar 2019  #93

No, there is no logical fallacy.

I have friends in Chile, Brazil, Japan and even in Iran. None of them comes here to exploit my country.

I have nothing against african tourists. But visitors are like fish. After few days it starts to smell.

What we had in 2015 was an invasion and collapse of order. The government failed in evry aspect.

You are a liar anyways.

jon357
24 Mar 2019  #94

No, there is no logical fallacy.

There certainly is. The "some of my best friends are..." is one of the best known and silliest.

Weimarer
24 Mar 2019  #95

Tell me which of my friends invaded Germany in 2015. As far as i know none if them left their country.

I think 2015 opened alot of peoples eyes that our government is incompetent on gargantuan levels and cant protect its people.

I will be always thankful that AfD stopped this madness. For that i vote them. The former system lost my trust.

Ironside
24 Mar 2019  #96

government is incompetent on gargantuan levels and cant protect its people.

Correction. It refuse to protects it citizens for purely ideological reasons.

Rich Mazur
24 Mar 2019  #97

....that our government is incompetent on gargantuan levels and cant protect its people.

You are too kind. It's pure evil. As a consolation, the US government and both parties are just as bad and it's getting worse, not better.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Mar 2019  #98

Correction. It refuse to protects it citizens for purely ideological reasons.

I disagree Iron....during the Merkel-age so much state jobs were cut down everwhere it boggles the mind. The refugee crisis 2015 just brought the desastreous conditions to light. Not enough governmental officials/federal employers anymore...the institutions totally overwhelmed, unable to control and direct the events...with longlasting repercussions.

Bureaucratic / law and order Germany, once praised for its efficency, just broke down disorderly, lost the control. No malicious intent even necessary!

Weimarer
24 Mar 2019  #99

That is only half the story.

The BGS gave reports that it is able to lock down the border and waits for orders to do so.

It was direct order from Merkel to not close borders. It was direct order from Merkel to allow evryone in.

When the situation became more and more extreme, people went into fear. Hordes of 3rd worlders roamed the cities, crime did rise and more and more inidents happened, like in Suhl 2015.

Merkels response? Nothing.

It went worse evry month. Infact Merkel actively tried to stop hungary, austria ect to close borders. Her sick amd perverted ideology was supported by all media and all parties with zero oppossition in Bundestag.

This only stopped when AfD was elected more and more.

And because of that i will continue to vote AfD. I have lost all trust in this regime and system and see the AfD as only guarantee for safety.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Mar 2019  #100

I think most agree by now that the handling of this crisis was abysmal, and that such thing won't happen again. Not only the AfD or its voters...

Even in Merkels CDU more and more come out now and speak their mind...

Weimarer
24 Mar 2019  #101

And why do they come out and speak their mind now? They all were silent when it happened.

The massive wins if the AfD and further collapse of CDU election results led to many CDU minions losing their cozy and warm jobs in parliament.

Without AfD we still would have mad Merkel at the wheel, telling

"Those who live longer here" ...her most perverted sentence, denieing the status of her own citizens

"Borders cant be protected"

"I cant see that i did anything wrong."

"Now they are here."

Will it never happen again? Im not sure. Merkel was stopped by force. Its her ideology and we saw her minions follow her into the abyss.

She was forced to change.

We need a strong AfD to make sure this does not happen again.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Mar 2019  #102

Can't quite disagree with that... avoid excessive quoting

jon357
24 Mar 2019  #103

Tell me which of my friends invaded Germany in 2015.

Nobody "invaded Germany in 2015". The last time was 1945, the world uniting to stop fascism.

Tacitus
24 Mar 2019  #104

I do support democracy

If you support democracy, you should also some degree of respect for its' representatives. You might not like Merkel, but she is the democratically elected chancellor of Germany, not the head of a cartell of "system parties".

All parties followed Merkel.

Along with the majority of Germans. That might difficult for you to swallow, but there were and still are more Germans who sympathize with Merkel's decision, than those who are against it. The Green party that wants to take things even further consistently polls higer than the AfD on the federal level.

What you want is a totalitarian monoparty system, following your sick perverted agenda.

I think you meant to write "What I want" here. You consider every other party except the AfD as illegetimate, and your agenda is certainly sick to the core.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Mar 2019  #105

The Green party that wants to take things even further...

That would be the end of Germany as know it, it would split the country for good...and maybe even the EU. As nobody else would and could follow such a policy.

Germany would go again a "Sonderweg", as all agreed that never must'n happen ever again after WWWII!

Weimarer
24 Mar 2019  #106

@Tacitus

More lies by you.

With your argumentation you say Hitler, Honecker and other tyrants should also have been respected as representatives.

Merkel is my servant. Thats her job as chancellor. She made an oath to serve Germany and its people. She has no other rank than the garbage man, the nurse or any other public servant.

As for the rest f your bullshit.

MAjority of Germans is against Merkels madness

faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/umfrage-mehrheit-will-fluechtlinge-an-der-grenze-zurueckweisen-15632309.html

majority of Germans wants that migrants get stopped at borders

Over 49% dont trust Merkel in migration policiy.

And thats the thing. A powerful AfD is needed to scare the system parties. To remember them who they have to serve and to expose their lies.

The Afd forced Merkel and her minions to leave her genocidal, anti german politics. You could see how disgusted she was when she was forced aside. It felt good to see her lose power. Now she is a nobody. A lame duck. Inside Germany AKK distances herself from Merkels madness. Eastern German CDU politicians say she should not come, since her presence "is not helpful". The new JU leader said he is against Merkel.

In foreign politics she has become powerless as well. She is not present anymore. She has become isolated like a virus.

Merkels most important thing is her renomee. And it feels good to see how bad she is treated. You see how it gnaws on her. She looks like Hitler in his last days in the Bunker.

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As for the Greens, they have some good ones. Like Boris Palmer who is 100% correct.

Lyzko
24 Mar 2019  #107

The gentle problem with Merkel as "Volksdienerin", is that she's serving both the State (Staatsdienerin) as well as her electorate!
The Chancellor's job, as with any head of state, is to walk that slippery slope of tending to the needs and desires of his constituents,

while never being allowed to lose sight of his constitutional responsibilities either:-)

It's a tightrope walk that job.

Ziemowit
24 Mar 2019  #108

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Weimarer
24 Mar 2019  #109

@Lyzko

Merkel servs nobody but herself. When her party started to riot against her, it was something she was not used to. The party voted against her proposal for double citizenship and she ignored her own party vote and push it through.

Merkel did enormous damage to Germany. Hans Werner Sinn said, that her doings have divided Germany, cost enormous sums of money and she basicly is one of the worst chancellors Germany ever had. Maybe only surpassed by Hitler. The rift she created in german socity will take decades to heal. The monetary problems she created are enormous. And there is no light visible how the problem with assimilating almost 2 million 3rd worlders will work.

The only positive thing i see is that east Germans did stand up and now have a voice.

Rich Mazur
24 Mar 2019  #110

Merkel did enormous damage to Germany.

No matter what you write and the facts you cite, there will always be some puke-worthy, pablum-generating apologist to offer nothing more than the official, fifth-grade, Civics 101 crap in response.

Miloslaw
24 Mar 2019  #111

No matter what you write

That is the problem here.....people will always come on with a weak counter argument that only intelligent posters can refute.
That is why you need to stay on this forum Rich........

Tacitus
24 Mar 2019  #112

With your argumentation you say Hitler, Honecker and other tyrants should also have been respected as representatives

Just goes to show what kind of warped perception you have. Merkel is the democratically elected leader of Germany, deal with it.

MAjority of Germans is against Merkels madness

And yet they still reelected her as chancellor in 2017. The helpless rage of the AfD voters is just so delicious to watch. You are just a tiny minority and you always will be. Which is why you detest democracy so much. You know that most Germans are so disgusted by your fantasies that they would never would vote for the AfD.

No matter what you write and the facts you cite

Weimarer is not writing anything sophisticated here, he is just repeating the official AfD propaganda. Which of course makes it so easy to tear his arguments apart.Then again, I see why you aympathize with him, he does seem to be a person who is eaten away by his hatred, just like you are.

Rich Mazur
24 Mar 2019  #113

I sympathize with Weimarer and hate spineless weasels because it's the men like him who put their lives on the line to protect their tribes, not the wet noodle academics.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Mar 2019  #114

You know that most Germans are so disgusted by your fantasies that they would never would vote for the AfD.

It's not even needed! In that regard the thread header by Weimarer is not totally off the mark.

Alone the existence of the AfD and their successes since 2015 have greatly influenced the rethoric and the mood and the other parties in Germany. You can't deny that!

Not only did it end the "Willkommenskultur", some foreign observers even said Germany has become now a "normal" country again, some 70 years after WWII...

Not to mention that East Germany would most probably be further ignored without the threat of it becoming AfD land this autumn looming over Berlin...

Alot of achievements for such a new and still small upstart!

Weimarer
25 Mar 2019  #115

@Tacitus

A democracy like GDR with all party have same opinion. :D

Since AFD is in Bundestag we have a oppossition. Bigger than SPD btw.

And why helpless? The AfD is the reason Germany changed its politics 180 degree. No other party had so much influence in last 40 years. The old crusted system got broken up.

Merkel needed almost a year to form a government that is internal broken. We are the reason that Germany has become an international impotent dwarf. Which is a good thing. Now they cant do more damage.

Friday was funny at Chemnitz soccer game. They gave free t shirts with their propaganda about tolerance, anti racism and all this bullshit.

You know what happened? Audience booed them out and throw thousands of those ****** shirts into the playfield.

Thats the right way to deal with those weak cucks, treat them like crap.

Ziemowit
25 Mar 2019  #116

she basicly is one of the worst chancellors Germany ever had. Maybe only surpassed by Hitler.

Mind you, but comparing Merkel to Hitler means that you know absolutely nothing about Hitler's regime and its great "accoplishments" which is utmost shame for a German, even for an Ossi German like you.

One would have thought that you try to present reasonable arguments for a change in German politics, but the above phrase of yours compromises you completely.

Weimarer
25 Mar 2019  #117

I dont compare Merkel with Hitler.

She formed a proto dictatorship. No oppossition, all media supporting her like a queen. Only her vasalls around her.

Critics call her system Merkelism. In the damage she did, she is between Hitler and Honecker. Thats a simple fact.

Tell me another chancellor who divided Germany so much, that rift will never be closed? The various factions dont even talk with each other anymore. Merkel broke the fundamental base of Germany - to find a compromise. Now the party system is broken apart. The various factions are basicly enemies of each other. Its almost impossible to find consensus.

The money damage is several hundred billion € each year.

So tell me how to fix that? How will a future chancellor repair the catastrophic damage, that Merkel did? How bring the country back together?

Something has changed dramatical. And that negative feeling is evrywhere.

jon357
25 Mar 2019  #118

She formed a proto dictatorship. No oppossition,

There is opposition.

all media supporting her

Not all media outlets support her by any means.

She's one of the most popular and successful European politicians of our age.

I wonder if you're deliberately lying, whether it's cognitive dissonance or both.

The various factions are basicly enemies of each other. Its almost impossible to find consensus.

That's democracy...

Bratwurst Boy
25 Mar 2019  #119

There is opposition.

Frowned upon heavily!

It has become ridiculously easy to be a Nazi...only criticize the immigration policies, feel abit overwhelmed and not liking that feeling and you will be asked: "Are you voting for the AfD? Are you a Nazi?" *with both eyebrows raised*

The political discourse in Germany has become abit hysterical...with alot of politicians and journalists being not used anymore to real opposition.
Just observe the vomit spitting given out to AKK now...even as she only points out things totally normal for the CDU bevor Merkel.

She's one of the most popular and successful European politicians of our age.

Only seen in a certain corner. For the others she is the one who kicked the Brexit referendum to the leavers with her decision in 2015...she is also the one who split the EU into those who would help Germany out and take a quota of refugees (only a few) and the rest who doesn't want to.

She left Macron hanging as he is desperatedly trying to move Europe forwards...without some nice, empty words there has come nothing from her side to support him.

In Germany she oversaw the rise and the build of a successful far right populist party. Our armed forced are not working anymore, we have a huge housing catastrophe in every bigger city. The cut down of millions of state employments has led to the near break down during the refugee crisis, even the big announced Energiewende is played out on the backs of energy customers who have to pay the heavy price...

For what do you think she should be seen as so "popular and successful" as you say?

Tacitus
25 Mar 2019  #120

Frowned upon heavily!

Remember how controversial her Euro policy was and how much resistance and criticism (from both left and right) she had to overcome. The notion that there was no opposition to Merkel is simply ludicruous.

For what do you think she should be seen as so "popular and successful" as you say?

Her tenure saw Germany prosper at a rate never seen after the Wirtschaftswunder, despite the financial crisis (though her predecessor deserves a lot of credite for it). She is probably the main reason why the Euro and EU still exists, and she deserves a lot of credit for the way she handled the Minsk II negotiations.

If the EU survives the next 10 years, she will probably remembered en par with Adenauer, Willy Brandt and Helmut Kohl. The saviour of the EU. There is hardly a greater legacy for a German chancellor.

Tell me another chancellor who divided Germany so much, that rift will never be closed?

Both Adenauer and Brandt caused a lot of division with their policy of Westbindung and Ostpolitik, and both have been ultimately proven right by history. I suspect once the hysterical overtones of the debate (caused by the AfD) decreases and a more rational view on her decision from 2015 sets in, it will deemed as ultimately the right decision.


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