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Why AfD is the most important party in Germany



Bratwurst Boy
25 Mar 2019  #121

She is probably the main reason why the Euro and EU still exists....

I would rather think they survived till now IN SPITE of her...;)

Then why everybody agrees that the EU is in such a bad state if she is so great?

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #122

@Weimarer, can you or anyone else here name us a leader who in the end ISN'T there only to serve themselves? Your're not being either fair or realistic.

Rich Mazur
25 Mar 2019  #123

can you or anyone else here name us a leader who in the end ISN'T there only to serve themselves?

That argument, dressed up as a question, is as fallacious as it gets. How about serving themselves AND serving the nation at the same time, even if themselves is priority one? Why should these two objectives be mutually exclusive?

If he is unable to name one as you asked, his arguments about the stupidity of allowing foreign garbage into Germany are still as valid as your decision NOT to have any foreigners live with you and at your expense. You do have a room where they could stay? Don't have heart enough to feel sorry for the poor and the downtrodden?

Tacitus
25 Mar 2019  #124

I would rather think they survived till now IN SPITE of her..

There is really no question that she did a very good job during the Euro crisis, and she really showed her skills during the negotiations with Greece and the other countries.

Then why everybody agrees that the EU is in such a bad state if she is so great?

Because she just one leader and thus her power is limited. It is not like she can solve the structural problems within many countries that cause the EU to begin. That lies in the responsibility of each individual country. Nor is there much she can do when the leaders of those countries decide to fuel anti-european sentiments to get popularity. Merkel made one miscalculation in 2015. She suspected that other countries would understand that showing solidarity with the countries affected by the refugee would be vital for the stability of the EU.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Mar 2019  #125

Letting Greece leave the Eurozone and rectifying the many birthflaws of the Euro would had been worse?

It is not like she can solve the structural problems within many countries that cause the EU to begin.

But thats what you can accept of such a "popular and successful" future german chancellor "legend", can't you?
When after so much time her reigning the EU is admittedly in a worse shape than before...she can't be all that great! And definitely not a "game changer" for the better!

The EU was never so disunified as of now and it all boils down to 2015 and the aftermath.

Her decision might overshadow anything else she had done...and if the populists keep riding the anti-immigration wave and go on further from election victory to election victory (the latest one in Holland) future historians will have no problems to pin point the end of the EU to her and 2015. It is really doubtful that she will then get a place beside Adenauer and Brandt in Europe's pantheon...

She suspected that other countries would understand that showing solidarity

Why should they...she decided all by her own self...she asked nobody...not our neighbours, not even our own parliament...and then she asks for help???

Rich Mazur
25 Mar 2019  #126

She suspected that other countries would understand

You meant expected.
The EU member countries never signed up to show "solidarity" with the stupid self-destruct acts of another. That was not part of the EU deal. If it were, show me where the results of the self-inflicted wounds like opening borders to the bottomless pit of humanity must be shared. On that basis, Poland could invite 100,000,000 Chinese and send them straight to Germany to be on your welfare. Would you like that?

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #127

One man's trash is another man's treasures, Dirk!

Go and tell a hip, brash young German capitalist from Bankfurt aka Mainhattan that lower-wage Africans et al are trash, polluting the German economy with forced, cheap labor and you'll doubtless give the dude about the biggest laugh he's had in years.....chuckling on his way to the bank:-)

LOL

Weimarer
25 Mar 2019  #128

A chancellor like Helmut Schmidt served his nation. He would never have done this.

He said in 2015, what Merkel does is criminal and can lead to civil war. His words were exactly, that if she allows more in, we will get "Mord and Totschlag" In english "Murder and killing".

Helmut Kohl said "This women destroys the Europe i created!"..

He even met Victor Orban who is Merkels biggest opponent in the EU:

tacx

This was a gigantic slap in her face.

Since Merkels madness in 2015 the EU is beraking apart. The far right won evry single election that happened since then. Even in spain the facist VOX is in coalition now. And VOX is a real facist party. In Netherlands last week the far right got absolute majority.

In Germany Merkel ripped the country apart. Eastern Germany does not follow her politics and politicians noticed if they push it even further, this could escalate to extreme levels.

Merkel is isolated like a Virus now. Sitting there her last days. She has no power left. Which is a good thing.

Just to show some the madness we have here.

We have 2019. Year 4 after the invasion. And the system parties debate if they should punish someone who does not tell where he is from.

And you want tell me those losers and disgusting weaklings would have changed their politics without AfD hunting them?

Merkel and her idiotis were unable to protect Germany in 2015. Only the harsh actions of Hungary, Austria and Italy saved us.

And you want me to trust those weaklings? MErkel and her morons would not able able to protect us in any way.

We are eld by a completly batshit crazy women who says she can guarantee us that China will never spay on Germany, because they promised her and she has a signature.

Dear god, can someone arrest this crazy goon and put her into an asylum?

Ziemowit
25 Mar 2019  #129

she decided all by her own self...she asked nobody...not our neighbours, not even our own parliament...

Some say that a politician in a democratic country who has been remaining in power for too long, typically for more than 8 years, looses her/his political instinct and sooner or later begins to make major mistakes which subsequently lead to their ultimate collapse. At a certain moment everyone can already see that the king is naked except... the king himself! And this is probably what is happening with Angela Merkel right - she's been in power for so long that she slowly began to think of herself as an infallible chancellor.

Remember the case of Margaret Thatcher of the United Kingdom?

Rich Mazur
25 Mar 2019  #130

One man's trash is another man's treasures, Dirk!

The man who sees them as treasure does so because he is not individually responsible for all of the misery and the expenses they and their "loved ones" cause.

We have the same s*** going on here. Walmart happily employs the Latino "treasure" at slave wages and then promptly tells that same "treasure" how to apply for food stamps and other goodies I, as a taxpayer, have to pay for.

Plus, if the foreign garbage no country wants was such a treasure, there would be bidding wars for them. There aren't any but you can start one.

I am not Dirk. Wait till tomorrow.

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #131

Weimarer, 100% agreement with ya, there! But Merkel is a German chancellor, Schmidt was more of a European statesman with broad, savvy tactical experience, rivaling, yea, surpassing, Merkel! Schmidt came up the hard way, war vet, worked his way up through the ranks, scholar, musician. A true Renaissance Man, nonetheless proud of his German Social Democratic roots and in his heart anti-Nazi to the bone!!

dolnoslask
25 Mar 2019  #132

Not sure if I am posting in the correct topic, but I would be interested in comments from our German posters here , are these comments valid in todays Germany?

Germany risks having two parallel societies if it does not demand integration from migrants, expert warns

Professor Horst Opaschowski said Germany was now 'a country of immigration'

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6846909/Germany-risks-having-two-parallel-societies-does-not-integrate-migrants.html

Rich Mazur
25 Mar 2019  #133

Germany risks having two parallel societies if it does not demand integration from migrants, expert warns

There is no need to integrate refugees. Under law, they are in Germany temporarily. Those who came invited to work will be sent home after robots take over.

See how simple things really are?

Ziemowit
25 Mar 2019  #134

He even met Victor Orban who is Merkels biggest opponent in the EU:

My God! Helmut Kohl in the picture you posted looks as if he was resurrected from the grave just to meet Mr Orban after which meeting he would immediately be sent back where he was brought from...

Isn't it high time then for East Germany to call for an independence?

delphiandomine
25 Mar 2019  #135

Not really, because what our AfD friend isn't telling us is that the AfD support is nowhere near a majority in the East. They're polling at between 20-25%, which pretty much ensures that they won't take control of any states. In his own state - volksstimme.de/deutschland-welt/politik/landtagswahl-enges-rennen-um-macht-in-thueringen - as you can see, they're far away from any serious electoral landslide.

Weimarer
25 Mar 2019  #136

There is no need for a landslide.

2015 AfD did not exist.

Getting 20% now is a desaster for the old system parties. In my state polls show that no stable coalition can be formed because AfD. All other parties must form a coalition. A 4 or even 5 party coalition in worst case to build a government against AfD. Thats basicly the end for democracy as we know it.

Another aspect is, that each seat for AfD means that one system party minion loses his seat and cant sit his ass flat anymore. They have to find a real job then. As more and more of merkels minions lost their job, cdu started to isolate her.

In federal elections we had an event where our CDU politician walked to me and my friends with flyers to tell us about his projects. How he sits since 12 years in Bundestag and that because of him we have our training place ect.

He expected some gratitude i guess. But we just laughed, spit infront his feet and told him to get lost.

Thats how you have to treat them. With zero respect and show them how disgusting they are.

When Merkel comes into eastern Germany they have to hold umbrella infront her so she gets not hit by eggs and tomato.

Thousands come and insult her in worst kind. Its like comedy.

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #137

Think you misposted, Weimarer! The image you showed was that of Helmut Kohl, not Helmut Schmidt:-)

Of the two though, I think Schmidt was the more far-reaching statesman. Certainly, he was more multi-lingual!!

Rich Mazur
25 Mar 2019  #138

The image you showed was that of Helmut Kohl, not Helmut Schmidt:-)

And, in the context of what he posts, this is relevant how?

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #139

If you think you're talking about someone or something and it turns our you're not, ahemmm, duh, I think that comes under the category of "relevant", Rich, don't you?

Weimarer
25 Mar 2019  #140

I said when Helmut Kohl met Orban. Read again.

I said:

Helmut Kohl said "This women destroys the Europe i created!"..

He even met Victor Orban who is Merkels biggest opponent in the EU

Learn to read before you critisize.

Rich Mazur
25 Mar 2019  #141

If you think you're talking about someone or something and it turns our you're not, ahemmm, duh, I think that comes under the category of "relevant"

As relevant as telling him that his shoes are muddy while he is talking about the survival of Germany as a German state.

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #142

"A chancellor like Helmut SCHMIDT served his nation."

So why no picture of Schmidt then, only Kohl? I was just confused, that's all.
By the by, Weimarer, didn't Merkel consider herself a 'protégé' of the late chancellor anyway?

I read, but I wasn't criticizing, I was only inquiring. There's a difference!
:-)

@Rich,

Who said that? The two ideas are scarcely analogous now, are they!

Weimarer
25 Mar 2019  #143

Helmut Kohl hated Merkel. He never invited her and said that she could not even eat with knife and fork.

Now back to topic.

Merkel is not my chancellor and i actually enjoy to see her treated like dirt. Its super funny to see her stand infront while hundreds hurl insults at her.

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #144

Perhaps the feeling wasn't mutual, as I can recall reading in a German news magazine that Merkel had kind words for her predecessor of many years.

Apparently the elder Kohl didn't reciprocate:-)

Weimarer
25 Mar 2019  #145

Merkel has no kind feelings dor anyone. Kohl is a political giant in the conservative spectrum. By saying kind words about Kohl, she tried to win those.

Tacitus
25 Mar 2019  #146

When after so much time her reigning the EU is admittedly in a worse shape than before...she can't be all that great!

Merkel had to deal with a crisis that was caused by the imperfect design of the EU and which could have easily destroyed the EU. She prevailed and the EU is now overall in a better shape than e.g. at the height of the Euro crisis when it looked like it can break apart any day.

The EU was never so disunified as of now and it all boils down to 2015 and the aftermath.

Hardly. I suspect that the refugee crisis will in 10-20 years be considered as far less important than now. Similarly to how once the hysteria died down with Brandts' Ostpolitik, people started to appreciate what he did, the same will likely happen with Merkel as well.

And no, saying that the refugee crisis is responsible for the rise of anti-european politicians is a deliberate distortion. Most of the countries (Hungary, Poland, Italy) saw already a rise of populist powers before 2015, or in the case of Orban, had already one in power. It provided them with a nice rallying cry (and unfortunately many people were gullible enough to follow them), but the tendency was already there. No doubt politicians like Orban, Salvini and Trump will be treated harshly by history. I must say it is quite satisfying knowing that we were blessed at a time when other countries betrayed their christian value with her as leader.

Miloslaw
25 Mar 2019  #147

Hardly. I suspect that the refugee crisis will in 10-20 years be considered as far less important than now.

I think the opposite is true....historians will say this was the beginning of the demise of Europe.

Rich Mazur
25 Mar 2019  #148

...because they - those lovely refugees who will never leave - will out breed and out multiply the naive, head-in-the-sand locals.
I guess when the tribe feels conquered and powerless, the only way to stay sane is to pretend that the defeat and damage are actually good for them. I will try to remember this mind trick when I get cancer and finally lose some weight.

Lyzko
25 Mar 2019  #149

Can't blame her for trying, Weimarer!

Merkel simply way underestimated her constiuents, she certainly never had either Schmidt's or Kohl's feel for people.

Rich Mazur
26 Mar 2019  #150

No estimating was needed. She could have asked and found out in less than an hour what "her constituents" think about replicating Sweden's experience with importing foreign human crap nobody wants and never being able to get rid of it. Germans do have the internet and smartphones, don't they?


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