Let's discuss muslims, jews, buddhist, and christians

Oh Ms. Atch stop, when ever did I say that I was a mackerel snapper ?
I said that I was brought up in a Catholic school is all that I have ever admitted to.
Can't a guy here have any privacy at all ?


Because "you think" carries no weight Ms. Atch even if you are the school mom here.
Yes, jon has admitted to being a Jew on the P.F.


I understand how a retired school mom use to being in charge all the time would see it that way.
Most of the time however jon and I are actually throwing out some 'food for thought' to let people chew on just like YOU do.

It keeps people from having tunnel vision.
Still in this thread no one has stepped forward with any Jewish traditions or beliefs.
Don't we have any real Jews on the P.F. ?

Now Ms. Atch get back on thread here before you get another warning !!

No. You have described yourself as a recovering Catholic. Your exact words.

But anyway what does it matter? And why are you so cross about it??

You are hopeless.


Yes, I am recovering from being raised Catholic.
What does it matter.......because the more personal information I give up the more the trolls have to feed on.
Cross ? I just got up, took a nice hot shower and had a beautiful breakfast of bacon, eggs, shredded hash brown, toast, peaches and some strong coffee.

I have a smile from ear to ear as in Life is Good.
Why would you even suggest such a thing as me being cross ?
I even whistled while I was doing the dishes and having my morning conversational prayer with the Lord.
NOW for the love of Mary can we PLEASE get back on thread !

Not being able to "explain" the mechanics of one's faith need not mean one is not of member of said group:-) Many of us are Enlightenment Jews, people who respect science, natural law, and basic human rights while understanding that most ritual aka "Kashruth" or "kasher/kosher" laws etc. were merely an intelligent food preservative means thousands of years ago, when eating pig, shellfish and the like COULD INDEED cause death owing to lack of cleanliness. Apropos. my mom always used to tell me that it's more important what comes OUT OF one's mouth vs. what one puts INTO it!!

Nowadays, the danger's past and so we Enlightenment Jews no longer feel the need to practice antiquated custom, often just a mask for the pious fraudulence among the sects which we see today, i.e. the wonderful "religious" slum lords of Brooklyn, "Jewish" in name only, yet entirely bereft of anything resembling spirituality:-)

Why would one have to recover from being raised Catholic? In what way does a religious upbringing harm our kids?

Someone clearly isn't sleeping well at night.


Well, kids in the Philippines are certainly getting harmed: aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/02/sexual-abuse-catholic-church-philippines-170216110007343.html

Not fault of Catholics or the C Church. That rich coming from Aljazeera and you. lol!

Did you read the article?

Still, have something different from Fox News to make sure that it's balanced: foxnews.com/world/2016/12/22/argentina-probes-sex-abuse-at-deaf-school-what-vatican-knew.html

TheOther, I've heard (though strictly through the gravevine, of courseLOL) that Catholic guilt's even more oppressive than Jewish guilt, and that's pretty oppressive, I speak from experience!

:-)

Why Fox News would ensure balanced views on this? What Vatican knew? They have some funny notion about Vatican and their role.
Again some old news from 80'? Reheated again. So what ?
How is that pertain to your statement that implies that religious upbringing namely Catholicism harms children? Dishing out HS again?

The current Pontiff's probably one of the most liberal in recent memory:-)

He's certainly the first Pope ever to raise the age of consent in the Vatican City above the age of 12.

Bravo! The Holy See is making progress, alert the mediaLOL

What I don't understand (and that was the reason why I asked) is, how can you still be a devout Christian after you had to "recover from being raised catholic"?

Ask someone who's Catholic, TheOther! I wouldn't have a clue:-)

That's not even remotely applicable in Poland... Guilt or Shame are national features (for controlling behavior and discouraging misbehavior).

Guilt - fear of harming one's self image, loss of self-esteem through bad behavior

Shame - fear of being discovered acting badly (and subsequent loss of social standing)

Both are found to some extent in every normal, healthy human being. But at the national cultural level one is more important.

The US is a Guilt culture (felt more acutely among religious minorities) and Poland is a Shame culture.

Also, there is the ethnic factor to guilt

US Anglo guilt - worry that one is being too ethnocentric (and that descendants will be embarrassed by you)

Jewish guilt - worry that one is not ethnocentric enough (letting the ancestors down)

Yes, the guilt thing stems from the fact that almost everything, however innocuous is a sin. The Pet Shop Boys wrote a great song about it that expresses it perfectly. The singer was a Catholic:

youtube.com/watch?v=dRHetRTOD1Q

You have not only mortal sin, but grave sin and of course the great old standby, venial sins which covers the full range from eating cake for tea to wearing the colour red. Here's how the nuns would run it down back in my schooldays:

"Cake. Now girls, you might think what harm is there in a slice of cake? Cake is all very well on a special occasion, birthday or Christmas or a wedding. But to eat cake every day with your morning coffee is sheer greed, gluttony, pure and simple. The sin of gluttony".

"The colour red. Now girls, you might think what harm is there in wearing a red t-shirt? The harm girls is that red draws the eye, that's right, attention seeking, wanting to get noticed. Vanity. The sin of vanity".

Then somebody would raise her hand and add 'But sister, it's a sin to wear a t-shirt anyway isn't it?' Sister would beam upon her 'Indeed it is Mary Kelly. Good girl. I was wondering now would anybody notice that. I slipped that one in there now as a trick question".

Ah, happy days!

Doesn't matter what religion you are or whether you have a Priest, Pastor, Minister or Reverend.
The definition of all of their jobs is to instill guilt and shame.
I've always looked at is as a method of controlling people or a dog.

Even by your standards, that's a very bleak viewpoint. And one which is entirely untrue of the majority of Priests, Pastors, Ministers and Reverends (as well as Imans and Rabbis) I have met.

Perhaps you are allowing the guilt which you feel as a natural result of some of your actions and thoughts to cloud your reactions to meeting men of the cloth? You might well find that if you let them, they can help lift the guilt and shame which you feel.

If that is what you call a bleak view point then what would you call yours by constantly bashing the RCC Priests and religion in general ?


Perhaps that may because the majority that you have ever met have been at weddings where everyone is drunk with bliss.
I mean seriously Harold, when was the last time you were in a confessional to confess your shameless sins ?

What's more just plain ironic for us non-Irish than the proverbial wake??! Sitting around, gorging ourselves, laughing, regaling whilst poor old Seamus over there's lying in his Sunday best face up??!

:-)

It's very bleak indeed. No wonder he's filled with such hatred in his life.

Anyway, just wanted to post this. baptistnews.com/article/book-documents-molestation-in-conservative-baptist-churches/

It's pretty clear that Christianity as a whole has some serious issues with child abuse within churches.

@delphiandomine
What is not that funny is that in Islam infested countries child abuse is considered normal and not even reported.

Irrelevant. We're discussing the abuse in Christian churches.

About the link I posted - what makes me sad is the fact that there's such a conspiracy of silence from within, yet these people claim to be acting on behalf of God. I'm pretty sure no god would condone abuse of innocent children, and quite frankly, I find it impossible to know how they can live with their conscience.

Either way, you'd have to be a complete idiot to entrust your children to the care of a religious person in 2017.

Actually it's very relevant.

The message that leaps out to anyone looking at the data (from Christians, Jews or Muslims) is roughly:

Do not leave small children in the company of "religious" authority figures as they are probably pedophiles!

Portraying the problem of "men of god" wanting to diddle children as restricted to one religion does not help.

Ah, this is a PF thing, but you're right.


It's not even small children, but children in general. It's quite frightening how many of these beasts carry out their abuse - very often, older kids (such as 12-13 year olds) are threatened subtly if they don't comply with what the abuser says.

I couldn't agree more with you though. Leaving your child in the care of a "religious" authority figure is just a bad, bad idea, as it seems to be a universal thing to cover up abuse rather than actually confront it.

as your every post on this forum.

Thread title: "Let's discuss muslims, jews, buddhist, and christians".
Now shut up kindly.

Thank you NoTo Foreigners, even though your words fell on deaf ears.
I have "tried" a half dozen times to keep this thread on topic only to find a few that have no respect or manners.


Typical Liberal response.


Do I detect a hint of guilt in your authoritative voice on sexual abuse of little children.
You sure seem to know an awful lot about it.


Yes however when you have unsupervised access to 7 year olds one could understand how these youngsters could be influenced at a very young age by someone with such an agenda.


And at what age do you secretly start this "encouragement" ?
No wonder you know so much about people with authority over young children.
In fact you were just relieved from such an authoritative position over 7 year olds if I recall correctly.
Was it because of your "colorful" homosexual posts here to lure young people by any chance ?


Point being pointing fingers at just religious leaders is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to sexual predators.
They use very sneaky and conniving tactics to have 'private 'access' to young children.
Then they rant about how horrible these "religious" people are to try to disguise themselves to avoid attention to their personal agenda's.
Just saying........... (kettle call the pot black)