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Are the English going to lose Great Britain ?



TheOther
13 Feb 2019  #121

in real life I have clinical depression

Sorry to hear that.

rozumiemnic
13 Feb 2019  #122

aww thank you xx I am sure I will get over it soon.
But honestly, other than sheep, Australia has so much moooorrrrrrrrre than Wales. Opals FFS!!

TheOther
13 Feb 2019  #123

aww thank you xx I am sure I will get over it soon.

I actually took you serious. Sorry, won't happen again. LOL.

Opals FFS

Emeralds and rubies, too. I made a few bucks fossicking for that stuff when I was younger.

rozumiemnic
13 Feb 2019  #124

wow, that must have been amazing. In Wales all there is is a miniscule amount of gold in the hills, (just enough to make 'the prince of Wales' a ring') and some disused coal mines...

TheOther
13 Feb 2019  #125

Wasn't as romantic as it sounds. All you had to do was to pay a few dollars for the mining claim, drive some 200 miles into the QLD outback, take your shovels and sieves, and start digging in 40 C heat. The people you met on the gemfields were truly interesting, though. Real characters of a kind that isn't around anymore these days. Lots of booze in the camps, too.

dolnoslask
13 Feb 2019  #126

all there is is a miniscule amount of gold in the hills

That fetches 5 times the normal gold price, get the old maps out roz ,see if we can get one , I think that a miners hat and lamp would suit you :).

pawian
14 Feb 2019  #127

people seem to forget about Wales.

Well, I was thinking whether to mention Wales but I had never read about modern Welsh national movement which pressed on independence. In result, I kept silent about Wales.

pawian
14 Feb 2019  #128

A chaotic Brexit will almost certainly push Yes over the 50% barrier.

Delph, how about this scenario, is it probable and to what extent?

After hard Brexit, Scots, led by mild nationalists, vote independence. The economic situation worsens and recession lasts for a few years. Disappointed Scots blame mild nationalists and the English for the crisis and choose radical nationalists who promise improvement. Radicals, hoping for instant success, turn to Russia for funding and cooperation. It is a common feature of radical right wing parties in Europe to share pro-Russian sentiments, we can see it in France, Italy, Germany too.

I don`t mean that Scotland will become a province of Russia in the long run :):). I only mean close economic and political ties between governments.

Is it possible at all?

Miloslaw
14 Feb 2019  #129

In these complicated times,anything is possible.
But I still think it is highly unlikely that Scotland will chose Brussels over London in the near future.

pawian
14 Feb 2019  #130

Don`t be so sure. A renowned director will make Braveheart 3 and anything goes, just like you said:

In these complicated times,anything is possible.


Miloslaw
14 Feb 2019  #131

Don`t be so sure. A renowned director will make Braveheart 3 and anything goes

Yeah,but research the true history and you will discover that the first Braveheart movie,although very entertaining,was just fiction.
Very little truth in the story....just like all this Brexit scaremongering......

Atch
15 Feb 2019  #132

radical nationalists who promise improvement. Radicals, hoping for instant success, turn to Russia for funding and cooperation.

Nationalist within the context of Scotland, Wales and Ireland does not have the same meaning as the word "Nationalist' in the European context. Looking towards Russia would simply never, never happen in Scotland.

the first Braveheart movie,although very entertaining,was just fiction. Very little truth in the story.

Braveheart was very "Hollywood" indeed and heavily fictionalized in places. However one can't deny the continued Scottish rebellions and struggle for independence, those are historic fact.

The people you met on the gemfields were truly interesting, though. Real characters of a kind that isn't around anymore these days.

I'm sure you know of Alby Mangels. I remember him mining for opals in one of his documentaries. The films are actually on YouTube but I saw them on Irish telly years ago :)

pawian
16 Feb 2019  #133

Looking towards Russia would simply never, never happen in Scotland.

I see. But, I repeat - I mean government level, not ordinary citizens.
The Kremlin has powerful means of propaganda and their clandestine activity during Scottish referendum wasn`t an accident.

express.co.uk/news/uk/875566/russia-scotland-politics-independence-vote-discovered-by-accident

The disclosure follows a warning by US Senator Angus King on Thursday that Vladimir Putin was actively pursuing a disinformation campaign to spark a second independence referendum. One claim has even likened England to Russian occupiers of Donbass, in eastern Ukraine. While the scale of activity in Scotland is not yet known, it is being seen as a resumption of activities carried out by Russia in the months leading to the referendum of 2014.

Miloslaw
16 Feb 2019  #134

The title of this post is just wrong.
Great Britain is not a country,it refers to The British Isles,which includes Ireland.
Which The English no longer control.
It should be titled "Are the English going to lose The United Kingdom",
Well,firstly,what is there to "Lose"?
England supports Wales,Scotland and NI.
Maybe the question should be "Are The Welsh,Scots and Northern Irish going to lose The UK".
I do get fed up with some nationalists and lefties stirring up all this anti English sentiment when The English have actually bent over backwards to support these states.....

cms neuf
16 Feb 2019  #135

No - the British Isles includes Great Britain. The big island with England Scotland abd Wales is called Great Britain.

I dont think it is just "lefties" stirring it up - Scots from left and right are increasingly wondering what the benefits of the Union are.

I was travelling a lot in Czechoslovakia before it broke up and people said Slovakia would not survive on its own and without czech subsidies. In fact it is doing fine now

pawian
16 Feb 2019  #136

It should be titled "Are the English going to lose The United Kingdom",

How do you know about my dilemma with the proper title? :)

Maybe the question should be "Are The Welsh,Scots and Northern Irish going to lose The UK".

That`s another interesting question.

However, I already expressed my little suspicion which might be false, but who knows? : the English, after losing their world empire, cling to its last remnants like a little kid to dad`s legs. After all, Great Britain sounds much better than just England, doesn`t it? That is why the English do what you suggest:

when The English have actually bent over backwards to support these states..


Miloslaw
16 Feb 2019  #137

the English, after losing their world empire, cling to its last remnants like a little kid to dad`s legs

Not true.Even an old bugger like me cannot really remember the time of The British Empire.
People under 50 years of age have no concept of it at all.
My kids are amazed when I explain it to them.
So no,not true.
The English support The Union for the mutual benefit of all.
From a financial or economic point of view the union is detrimental to The English.

pawian
16 Feb 2019  #138

Even an old bugger like me cannot really remember the time of The British Empire.

That`s really interesting. But how do you explain to them the presence of all minorities in GB? Also, don`t the books on school English reading lists refer to British/English past? Don`t kids learn that Mowgli was a British subject? What about geography or history class?

Now I judge by the Polish example. If Polish kids, apart from Polish history, learn about such details as Garibaldi`s national risings in 19th century Italy, then British kids must learn at least about some of their past, too.

pawian
17 Feb 2019  #139

The English support The Union for the mutual benefit of all.

That`s interesting. What is the benefit for the English if you claim they have to maintain the other states?

Vesko Vukovic
17 Feb 2019  #140

England is obviously something else, however the term BRITISH,

BRIT meaning in Hebrew for Covenant
hebrew4christians.com/Glossary/Word_of_the_Week/Archived/Brit/brit.html

and

ISH meaning Man in Hebrew
biblehub.com/hebrew/376.htm

we get BRIT-ISH meaning the Man of the Covenant in Jewish language.

hebrewnations.com/articles/biblical-proof/ba/brit-ish.html

jon357
17 Feb 2019  #141

A nice coincidence, that's all

Torq
17 Feb 2019  #142

we get BRIT-ISH meaning the Man of the Covenant

I always thought there were real, true BRITs, and people who weren't really BRIT but only BRIT-ISH.

*I'll get my coat*

Miloslaw
17 Feb 2019  #143

Also, don`t the books on school English reading lists refer to British/English past?

Of course they do,good and bad stuff,history taught in British schools is more honest than in most countries.
As the old saying goes,"History belongs to the victor",but fairness is a very British trait.

delphiandomine
17 Feb 2019  #144

Of course they do,good and bad stuff,history taught in British schools is more honest than in most countries.

Probably one of the strongest points about the UK is the honest approach to history, I think. I've never heard a British person deny the bad parts of history, and there's a general willingness to investigate and confront historical wrongs.

It's surreal to me that Poles argue so much about it.

pawian
17 Feb 2019  #145

It is understandable. When Poles admit sth wrong, immediately some guys will demand financial compensation for that. It is natural you have to deny any charges because who likes to pay? :):)

delphiandomine
17 Feb 2019  #146

immediately some guys will demand financial compensation for that

So do what we do and tell them to get lost ;)

(good example; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles - we're quite happy to consistently tell the Greeks to get lost)

Miloslaw
17 Feb 2019  #147

Probably one of the strongest points about the UK is the honest approach to history

This is true.
But Britain is big enough and strong enough to take it.
Maybe Poland is not so confident in itself yet.

Atch
18 Feb 2019  #148

I see. But, I repeat - I mean government level, not ordinary citizens.

Governments are elected by ordinary citizens and there would never be enough support in Scotland for a government that would be foolish enough to get involved with Russia.

activities carried out by Russia in the months leading to the referendum of 2014.

One of the weaknesses of the Russian so-called intelligence service is that they don't really understand Western nations as well as they think they do. The Scots people as a whole are far too canny and intelligent to be taken in by rubbishy propaganda from Russia, with its simplistic representation of Scottish history. Of course there is always a minority of poorly educated, not very bright people who can be susceptible, but not enough to make any great impact.

I should add that Scotland is still somewhat divided along Highland and Lowland lines. Read up about the two cultures of Scotland if you really want to understand it :)

Bratwurst Boy
18 Feb 2019  #149

Interesting...

The Vote Leave campaign told us that if we supported them, they would ensure we were able to get more chefs from south Asia by relaxing immigration rules. We made the mistake of believing them

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/15/brexit-lies-curry-vote-leave-restaurant-industry

"Relaxing immigration rules" for people from Asia? So it had been the people from Europe the Brexit was about?

The Vote Leave supporters also claimed that if we voted to come out of the EU, we would not need to prioritise immigration from the EU any more - and it would actually mean more chances to get people from Commonwealth countries.

!

The gap between the Brexit that was sold and the one being delivered increases by the day.

Yeah...well...no compassion from me! You demanded from 150.000 members of your organization to vote for "leave" because the Brexiters promised you you could
get more South Asians into Britain instead of Europeans and you would be able to pay less wages.

You deserve all the **** you get now!

Miloslaw
18 Feb 2019  #150

get more South Asians into Britain instead of Europeans

All the Indians and Sri Lankans I know voted leave for that very reason.


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