Are the English going to lose Great Britain ?

Sorry to hear that.

aww thank you xx I am sure I will get over it soon.
But honestly, other than sheep, Australia has so much moooorrrrrrrrre than Wales. Opals FFS!!

I actually took you serious. Sorry, won't happen again. LOL.


Emeralds and rubies, too. I made a few bucks fossicking for that stuff when I was younger.

wow, that must have been amazing. In Wales all there is is a miniscule amount of gold in the hills, (just enough to make 'the prince of Wales' a ring') and some disused coal mines...

Wasn't as romantic as it sounds. All you had to do was to pay a few dollars for the mining claim, drive some 200 miles into the QLD outback, take your shovels and sieves, and start digging in 40 C heat. The people you met on the gemfields were truly interesting, though. Real characters of a kind that isn't around anymore these days. Lots of booze in the camps, too.

That fetches 5 times the normal gold price, get the old maps out roz ,see if we can get one , I think that a miners hat and lamp would suit you :).

Well, I was thinking whether to mention Wales but I had never read about modern Welsh national movement which pressed on independence. In result, I kept silent about Wales.

Delph, how about this scenario, is it probable and to what extent?

After hard Brexit, Scots, led by mild nationalists, vote independence. The economic situation worsens and recession lasts for a few years. Disappointed Scots blame mild nationalists and the English for the crisis and choose radical nationalists who promise improvement. Radicals, hoping for instant success, turn to Russia for funding and cooperation. It is a common feature of radical right wing parties in Europe to share pro-Russian sentiments, we can see it in France, Italy, Germany too.

I don`t mean that Scotland will become a province of Russia in the long run :):). I only mean close economic and political ties between governments.

Is it possible at all?

In these complicated times,anything is possible.
But I still think it is highly unlikely that Scotland will chose Brussels over London in the near future.

Don`t be so sure. A renowned director will make Braveheart 3 and anything goes, just like you said:

Yeah,but research the true history and you will discover that the first Braveheart movie,although very entertaining,was just fiction.
Very little truth in the story....just like all this Brexit scaremongering......

Nationalist within the context of Scotland, Wales and Ireland does not have the same meaning as the word "Nationalist' in the European context. Looking towards Russia would simply never, never happen in Scotland.


Braveheart was very "Hollywood" indeed and heavily fictionalized in places. However one can't deny the continued Scottish rebellions and struggle for independence, those are historic fact.


I'm sure you know of Alby Mangels. I remember him mining for opals in one of his documentaries. The films are actually on YouTube but I saw them on Irish telly years ago :)

I see. But, I repeat - I mean government level, not ordinary citizens.
The Kremlin has powerful means of propaganda and their clandestine activity during Scottish referendum wasn`t an accident.

express.co.uk/news/uk/875566/russia-scotland-politics-independence-vote-discovered-by-accident

The disclosure follows a warning by US Senator Angus King on Thursday that Vladimir Putin was actively pursuing a disinformation campaign to spark a second independence referendum. One claim has even likened England to Russian occupiers of Donbass, in eastern Ukraine. While the scale of activity in Scotland is not yet known, it is being seen as a resumption of activities carried out by Russia in the months leading to the referendum of 2014.

The title of this post is just wrong.
Great Britain is not a country,it refers to The British Isles,which includes Ireland.
Which The English no longer control.
It should be titled "Are the English going to lose The United Kingdom",
Well,firstly,what is there to "Lose"?
England supports Wales,Scotland and NI.
Maybe the question should be "Are The Welsh,Scots and Northern Irish going to lose The UK".
I do get fed up with some nationalists and lefties stirring up all this anti English sentiment when The English have actually bent over backwards to support these states.....

No - the British Isles includes Great Britain. The big island with England Scotland abd Wales is called Great Britain.

I dont think it is just "lefties" stirring it up - Scots from left and right are increasingly wondering what the benefits of the Union are.

I was travelling a lot in Czechoslovakia before it broke up and people said Slovakia would not survive on its own and without czech subsidies. In fact it is doing fine now

How do you know about my dilemma with the proper title? :)


That`s another interesting question.

However, I already expressed my little suspicion which might be false, but who knows? : the English, after losing their world empire, cling to its last remnants like a little kid to dad`s legs. After all, Great Britain sounds much better than just England, doesn`t it? That is why the English do what you suggest:

Not true.Even an old bugger like me cannot really remember the time of The British Empire.
People under 50 years of age have no concept of it at all.
My kids are amazed when I explain it to them.
So no,not true.
The English support The Union for the mutual benefit of all.
From a financial or economic point of view the union is detrimental to The English.

That`s really interesting. But how do you explain to them the presence of all minorities in GB? Also, don`t the books on school English reading lists refer to British/English past? Don`t kids learn that Mowgli was a British subject? What about geography or history class?

Now I judge by the Polish example. If Polish kids, apart from Polish history, learn about such details as Garibaldi`s national risings in 19th century Italy, then British kids must learn at least about some of their past, too.

That`s interesting. What is the benefit for the English if you claim they have to maintain the other states?

England is obviously something else, however the term BRITISH,

BRIT meaning in Hebrew for Covenant
hebrew4christians.com/Glossary/Word_of_the_Week/Archived/Brit/brit.html

and

ISH meaning Man in Hebrew
biblehub.com/hebrew/376.htm

we get BRIT-ISH meaning the Man of the Covenant in Jewish language.

hebrewnations.com/articles/biblical-proof/ba/brit-ish.html

A nice coincidence, that's all

I always thought there were real, true BRITs, and people who weren't really BRIT but only BRIT-ISH.

*I'll get my coat*

Of course they do,good and bad stuff,history taught in British schools is more honest than in most countries.
As the old saying goes,"History belongs to the victor",but fairness is a very British trait.

Probably one of the strongest points about the UK is the honest approach to history, I think. I've never heard a British person deny the bad parts of history, and there's a general willingness to investigate and confront historical wrongs.

It's surreal to me that Poles argue so much about it.

It is understandable. When Poles admit sth wrong, immediately some guys will demand financial compensation for that. It is natural you have to deny any charges because who likes to pay? :):)

So do what we do and tell them to get lost ;)

(good example; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles - we're quite happy to consistently tell the Greeks to get lost)

This is true.
But Britain is big enough and strong enough to take it.
Maybe Poland is not so confident in itself yet.

Governments are elected by ordinary citizens and there would never be enough support in Scotland for a government that would be foolish enough to get involved with Russia.


One of the weaknesses of the Russian so-called intelligence service is that they don't really understand Western nations as well as they think they do. The Scots people as a whole are far too canny and intelligent to be taken in by rubbishy propaganda from Russia, with its simplistic representation of Scottish history. Of course there is always a minority of poorly educated, not very bright people who can be susceptible, but not enough to make any great impact.

I should add that Scotland is still somewhat divided along Highland and Lowland lines. Read up about the two cultures of Scotland if you really want to understand it :)

Interesting...


theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/15/brexit-lies-curry-vote-leave-restaurant-industry

"Relaxing immigration rules" for people from Asia? So it had been the people from Europe the Brexit was about?

The Vote Leave supporters also claimed that if we voted to come out of the EU, we would not need to prioritise immigration from the EU any more - and it would actually mean more chances to get people from Commonwealth countries.

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Yeah...well...no compassion from me! You demanded from 150.000 members of your organization to vote for "leave" because the Brexiters promised you you could
get more South Asians into Britain instead of Europeans and you would be able to pay less wages.

You deserve all the **** you get now!

All the Indians and Sri Lankans I know voted leave for that very reason.