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Are the English going to lose Great Britain ?



Ironside
7 Jul 2019  #241

, Boris is right on the money

No he is not. No if he puts it like that.

It is up to an immigrant to learn the language of a country he emigrates to. If he can get away without learning it at all - good for him/her. If faces many difficulties without the local lingo it is his/her problem.

I hate this totalitarian, singular, uniform un-American approach. He should learn it. Make him or kick him out. WTF?

That is wrong.

On the other hand there should not be any help for those who do not speak the local language. No translator, no info, no nothing that would be paid by the taxpayer, government agencies or what not. IF a private employer whishes to employ foreign people with no language and privies them with translator or whenever needed for them to work on his budged - fair enough.

Yet, no public, government run institution should be burdened with providing help for those who cannot communicate in the local lingo.

This English hysteria is just sad. What next the language police? Maybe change the name of the country united fascist kingdom?

I mean that progressive leftist agenda is bad enough but some of those opposing it are just not conservative or the right but some self- righteous idiots and xenophobic losers. They are minority but they are the worst because thanks to them all the rest i.e. reasonable people are tarred with the same brush.

Miloslaw
7 Jul 2019  #242

Boris Johnson said, the most important priority for immigrants should be to learn English

He is right and it is a huge problem in The UK.
When my parents came here they had one Polish newspaper but no Polish radio or TV.
Also no translators for legal, tax or medical purposes.
They had to learn English to a high level, just to get by.
Now people can live in their own "ghettos", watching their own TV, listening to their own radio.
Shopping in their own shops.working alongside their own.
And they get translators, paid for by the state, for anything important.
They have no need to learn English.
It is a disgusting failure by The British government.
These people will never truly integrate.

Rich Mazur
7 Jul 2019  #243

On the bright side, the English illiterate bums cannot compete with the natives for the jobs other that the local sewer. They came from one so they should be happy, too. A twofer.

Lyzko
7 Jul 2019  #244

"Language police". In Germany, I believe the government introduced German Language Testing for new arrivals, and on the national level at that.

Doesn't sound half bad to me. Pity they can't (re-)enforce a bit of morality police back into American life:-)

Ironside
7 Jul 2019  #245

He is right and it is a huge problem in The UK.

He is not right IF that the way he puts it. He shouldn't make their choices for them. Period.

And they get translators, paid for by the state, for anything important.

That is wrong. He should haver said that the state will not be financing those anymore. Fair enough.

Making other people do something by a degree is a fascist totalitarian approach and is bad. Can you spot the difference?

Miloslaw
7 Jul 2019  #246

He is not right IF that the way he puts it.

If you choose to live and work in a foreign country, your first obligation to that country is to integrate.
The first thing you can do to achieve that aim is to learn the language.
Simple.

Lenka
7 Jul 2019  #247

first obligation to that country is to integrate.

I would say follow that country's laws.
If a guy never learns the language or customs but leads quiet life, pays taxes and follows the laws the society is still ok. But if that guy speaks native language fluently, knows history and customs of the host country but cheats the system and breaks the laws it definitely hurts the society.

Of course it is not that black and white in most cases but it's just to show my point

Miloslaw
7 Jul 2019  #248

Point taken.
But why would you not want to integrate into a society that has been generous enough to offer you a second chance?

Ironside
7 Jul 2019  #249

If you choose to live and work in a foreign country, your first obligation to that country is to integrate.

Not really, unless you apply for a passport of said country. Then it is a given that your knowledge of that country language is on a level that enables you to communicate. Otherwise there is no passport.

Came in legally and obey the laws is a first obligation.

The first thing you can do to achieve that aim is to learn the language.

Says who? this is a kind of totalitarian approach I dislike. As I said it is for an individual to decide. Said country doesn't have to make it easy on him/her if they decide not to learn a language of a country. If they can get by just fine without it - who cares?

Miloslaw
7 Jul 2019  #250

As I said it is for an individual to decide

No.
It is for a nation to decide.
If that person doesn't like it, they can always leave.

Ironside
7 Jul 2019  #251

It is for a nation to decide.

What nation? You mean a state or more precise a government. Fair enough. So far the uk hold a poor record in that area. Do you think that some off cuff remarks of the BS boy gonna change it? Wake up and smell the coffee.

The only realistic solution is my approach no governmental/public founding for translator and what have you, for people living in the uk.

A Problem with people is a fact that they prefer to listen to what they like to hear rather than think about a realistic solution to a problem. Latter they blame it all on the politicians. Boris is full of S. You're his cheerleader. lol

Besides tendency to force everything on people by some grovemnat is just totalitarian.

Rich Mazur
7 Jul 2019  #252

If a guy never learns the language or customs but leads quiet life, pays taxes and follows the laws the society is still ok.

No, it's not OK. The first time the sob gets hurt because he didn't understand what the firemen told him when his house was on fire he will sue them and that means me.

Or he will claim that he didn't know that sticking his dick into a 10-year-old vagina is actually against the law. Or that he didn't understand what "put the f***king gun down" meant just before he got shot and paralyzed.

Life is not just putting cans in shelves in a grocery story.


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