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Are the English going to lose Great Britain ?



cms neuf
18 Feb 2019  #151

Thats their right but they were lied to by people who never expected to be held to their false promises

pawian
18 Feb 2019  #152

I should add that Scotland is still somewhat divided along Highland and Lowland lines.

That`s interesting, I didn`t realise this division is so importantl. Most textbooks focus on those more colourful aspects of Scottish culture, so you understand that Highlands with their Games etc always take the upper hand. :)

there would never be enough support in Scotland for a government that would be foolish enough to get involved with Russia.

Thanks, I will be more relaxed now. :)

pawian
18 Feb 2019  #153

All the Indians and Sri Lankans I know voted leave for that very reason.

I believe that the British, after dealing with Indian people and their culture since the times of the first East Indian Company, have learnt how to treat them as fully legitimate citizens.

Miloslaw
18 Feb 2019  #154

Eh?
They are as British as I am.....in fact,considering my 100% Polish ancestry,they are MORE British than I am.
What a strange thing to say Pawian.

pawian
18 Feb 2019  #155

That must be a misunderstanding .I didn`t mean anything derogatory. I expressed my conviction that the native British have already accepted Indians as full citizens of the country. It wasn`t so obvious a few decades ago.

Miloslaw
18 Feb 2019  #156

OK.Explanation accepted and agreed with.

pawian
18 Feb 2019  #157

It wasn`t so obvious a few decades ago.

I just recalled a black and white film about Lawrence of Arabia which I watched decades ago. In one scene. Lawrence comes back from a dangerous mission and brings his Indian friend to the canteen full of British officers who frown and tell him to leave. Lawrence almost cries when he gets emotional defending his partner.

Miloslaw
18 Feb 2019  #158

Britain did have to go through many difficulties before we arived at where we are now.But we are more or less there.
I know that Poland never had an empire in the sense of The British Empire.
But can you imagine,even now,if thousands of Indians or Africans flocked to Poland how Poles would react?
I suggest that The British are far more tolerant than Poles and I am just stating that as a fact.
Not saying that one is better than the other.

delphiandomine
18 Feb 2019  #159

But can you imagine,even now,if thousands of Indians or Africans flocked to Poland how Poles would react?

Interestingly enough, it's already happening, and the Poles are largely reacting with indifference.

There's the usual ranting of insecure people online, and a few bad incidents, but nothing overwhelmingly bad is happening. There was a moment a couple of years ago when it seemed that it might get quite bad, but the government appeared to realise that it was a bad idea to turn a blind eye to racist attacks.

Miloslaw
18 Feb 2019  #160

Interestingly enough, it's already happening, and the Poles are largely reacting with indifference

For now,wait and see what happens when and if numbers increase to the level they did in The UK......

I can see Polish attitudes to dark skinned people here in The UK.
They largely accept it because it is accepted in The UK.But they would be absolutely horrified if it happened in Poland.

Rich Mazur
19 Feb 2019  #161

For now,wait and see what happens when and if numbers increase

You just beat me to it...

I expressed my conviction that the native British have already accepted Indians as full citizens of the country.

Because the British are morons. Anyone with a brain, before he would start giving out British passports to a group, would first do three things.

First, he would find out how large is the group. In this case, it's a billion.
Second, he would ask how many can we admit? .
Third, if the answer is not all, he would ask: how do we stop N+1?, with N being the limit.

That's what an intelligent person like me would do. But, if you (editorial) are world-class morons like the Brits, you ignore all of the above because, otherwise, it would be unkind and, oh my God, racist!

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #162

In the case of Indians there are only about one and half million of them in the UK out of a population of around 65 million. Indians are not considered foreigners in the UK, especially those whose families have been there for generations. They are very successful, economically independent and fully assimilated into British society. A significant number of them are far better spoken, well mannered and socially adept than their native British peers.

There is a Britishness about them due to their colonial past. Their record of service in the British armed forces, in the service of Britain, is hugely impressive. They have fought in every major campaign including WWI and WWII and received numerous awards for gallantry and bravery.

Despite the fact that you're only trolling, thus your ignorant remarks, certain facts must be pointed out.

Miloslaw
19 Feb 2019  #163

In the case of Indians there are only about one and half million of them in the UK

Yes,that is of Indian descent only.
The 2011 UK Census recorded 1,451,862 residents of Indian, 1,174,983 of Pakistani and 451,529 of Bangladeshi ethnicity, making a total South Asian population of 3,078,374 (4.9 per cent of the total population), excluding other Asian groups and people of mixed ethnicity.

But I agree with the rest of your post.

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #164

Yes,that is of Indian descent only.

Precisely. The discussion was about Indians in the UK, not Pakistanis or Bangladeshis.

Miloslaw
19 Feb 2019  #165

Wrong.
In my original post I mentioned Indians and Sri Lankans.
Besides,before partition it was all one country anyway.
Why are you splitting hairs?

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #166

I mentioned Indians and Sri Lankans

Exactly. So why, when I mentioned the figures for Indians in the UK, which was the nationality under discussion, did you respond with the figures for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis? And I think you'll find that having been separate countries since 1947, the nationals of such countries expect to be referred to as such and not classified as Indians. Similarly, Indians don't want to be lumped in with everybody else from the Indian subcontinent. Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan are all separate nationalities and should be classified as such. It's not a question of splitting hairs. It's a matter of being accurate, especially when you're discussing demographics.

Miloslaw
19 Feb 2019  #167

They are all South Asians. Indians,Pakistanis and Bangladeshis can all speak to each other in the same language(Even though written they are different)and yes,you are splitting hairs.And it was your "Only 1.5 million" that annoyed,because actually it is more than double that.

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #168

I'm not splitting hairs. If you're a Londoner, you surely understand the differences between them.

Miloslaw
19 Feb 2019  #169

I have several working for me and yes I do understand the differences between them,but unlike you,I also know the similarities. :-)

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #170

The bottom line is that there is a big difference in the socio-economic and social integration of Indians in the UK compared to Pakistanis or Bangladeshis.

Miloslaw
19 Feb 2019  #171

That is very true but not for the ones that work for me.
And BTW,they all get on fine!

Ziemowit
19 Feb 2019  #172

Because the British are morons.

Despite the fact that you're only trolling

Well said, Ms Atch.

By the by, the 1st of March is approaching fast. Any new thoughts on the bright future that is awaiting the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland beyond that date?

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #173

Hello Ziemowit my dear. How are you me old mucker ? :) It's actually 29 March that's the cut off point and at this stage, it's anyone's guess. Things are really not looking good for them, but also they've made a terrible mess for Ireland as well. Fortunately we don't have the political chaos that they're experiencing but nonetheless, it's a very bad outcome for us.

Rich Mazur
19 Feb 2019  #174

Despite the fact that you're only trolling, thus your ignorant remarks, certain facts must be pointed out.

Another walking encyclopedia in action...

Ignorance, genius, is 2+2=5. That's ignorance. Brits are morons is an opinion. Brits are actually super-morons because they gave a billion people the right to immigrate as citizens who cannot be deported no matter how badly they will behave. This makes my opinion a brilliant one. To which you have no argument except "you are trolling".

Guess what, genius, everybody who posts opinions is trolling. Like, oh look, nothing bad happened - that's trolling.

Would the Brits like another 10 million Indians if they are so nice? How about 20 millions? Too many? You are a racist!

Ziemowit
19 Feb 2019  #175

Brits are actually super-morons

This makes my opinion a brilliant one

More of the trolling. Super trolling or brilliant trolling this time?

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #176

because they gave a billion people the right to immigrate

I think you need to read the immigration laws. Where did you get that impression from? There is no automatic right to live in the UK for people from the Indian subcontinent, nor has then been for about fifty years.

cannot be deported no matter how badly they will behave

What bad behaviour are you talking about? Indians are far less likely to be involved in any criminal activities than their white peers.

Bratwurst Boy
19 Feb 2019  #177

Indians are far less likely to be involved in any criminal activities than their white peers.

Percental? Do you have a link?

Rich Mazur
19 Feb 2019  #178

Quoting:

The Act created the new status of "citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC) for people born or naturalised in either the United Kingdom or one of its colonies.

Yeah, that was brilliant.

Indians are far less likely to be involved in any criminal activities than their white peers.

So what? Would you like 10 million more of well behaving Indians? No? You are a racist!

Miloslaw
19 Feb 2019  #179

Percental? Do you have a link?

If Atch is only talking about Indians,she is probably right,just.
But if she is talking about South Asians then she is badly wrong.

Atch
19 Feb 2019  #180

If Atch is only talking about Indians

Indians are those who are being discussed, so yes, I'm talking about Indians and I'm right, not probably right. You don't know the figures for "South Asians" because the Home Office doesn't break crimes down by ethnicity of the perpatrators (not publicly anyway) so you wouldn't be able to access that information. So you're speculating. However we do know that about a third of the population of British prisons is black or other ethnic minorities but that black accounts for the largest chunk of that ethnic minority. Indians are one of the most successful, highly achieving and law abiding communities in the UK.


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