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UK Ambassador Confirms Russia being set up by US/UK. 'Poisoning' a fabrication


Velund
1 Apr 2018  #91

Russia has been proven guilty

Show me the proofs. Or shut up and go away (as one dumb british guy said few days ago).

the world's major democracies are satisfied

"World major democracies" may masturbate further, but without verifiable facts this doesn't change a bit.
jon357
1 Apr 2018  #92

Show me the proofs

You could always ask the 29 governments who have the proof and have acted on it to "show you the 'proofs' (sic)".

"World major democracies"

Have punished Russia and will continue to marginalise that rogue state.

Your posts here beautifully reflect the scum Putin's increasingly panicked denials of guilt.
Velund
1 Apr 2018  #93

You could always ask the 29 governments

Simply not interested to ask unrelated parties about such things. They will pay their own bills, and their relations with London is its own problem. They expelled russian diplomats and get the same in return. US now have one consulate less, just like Russia in US. Britain should also decrease their diplomatic presence in Russia to the same number of diplomats as Russia have in UK (i.e. -50 total).

British government started this case, they should provide proofs. There will be no chances to say "oops", once this defamation campaign goes so far.
jon357
1 Apr 2018  #94

Simply not interested to ask unrelated parties

Far from unrelated, since they are all in agreement that Russia's chemical attack is an attack on the whole free world and have responded accordingly.

their relations with London is its own problem

Far from a problem too, since the free world has presented a united front against Russia.

Russia started this crime, by their chemical weapons attack in Europe.
Velund
1 Apr 2018  #95

Burden of proofs is on accuser. Period.

Britain tries to accuse Russia in chemical attack (far before any suspects is reported in police investigation). So, Britain must provide verifiable proofs or shut up.

Most likely, they cannot do the first and cannot afford the second, so hordes od similar to "jon357" is hired to constantly say "Russia is guilty" - british officials also readed Goebbels...

A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth
jon357
1 Apr 2018  #96

All 29 accusers who in any case have proof that satisfies them under international protocols? Remember, Putin-apologist, that this isn't a courtroom, this is a chemical weapons attack by Russia.

I doubt proof of anything matters much to Russians.

Period.

Yes, Putin is indeed a period stain.
Velund
1 Apr 2018  #97

All 29 accusers who in any case have proof that satisfies them under international protocols?

Two accusers and 27 their cocksuckers, you mean?

Austria commented some of "international protocols" used by british embassy to force Austrian government to join "flash mob" with expelling russian diplomats. So, there was nothing except words of May and Johnson and blackmail for anyone who was not so responsive.

All this looks funny, just like anglos trying to create some alternative reality. ;) Unfortunately, the illusion will dissipate in a few days. But Putin definitely may say "thank you" to May, as under fierce pressure from abroad just before elections he got exceptional support.

Stupids not yet understand that they spent some precious resource for this attack , and it will take decades of hard work to recover.
SigSauer
1 Apr 2018  #98

Ok, so why do you care? If you guys hate the West so much, then less diplomats shouldn't matter to you, why have diplomatic relations with our country at all in that case? Instead just go back to eating palmeny and drinking vodka so that Russian men continue to die at age 54, and declining each year. Britain can't afford it? Nah, I think they can, and perhaps its the country with an economy smaller than Italy's but with the largest land mass in the world who can't afford it. Fine by me really, you can take your dirty money and spend it elsewhere, send your kids to university in Moskva instead of London. Please though, if you're gonna bang on about how evil the West is, throw your iPhone away (MY country created that), stop listening to our music, stop wearing our brand name clothes, and stop driving our cars.
jon357
1 Apr 2018  #99

If you guys hate the West so much, then less diplomats shouldn't matter to you,

They fear the free West more than hate it; fewer diplomats at least mean fewer spies. They're especially rattled that they couldn't get away with something they thought they would, and because their 'soft' war techniques, online propaganda and threats to international cables are being openly addressed.

the country with an economy smaller than Italy's but with the largest land mass in the world who can't afford it.

If the Soviet Union was Upper Volta with nukes, what's left of Russia is Burkino Faso with nukes they can't afford. A predominantly primary sector economy like so much of the third world.

throw your iPhone away (MY country created that)

Together with a British designer and Israeli chip technology; the West is rather good at win-win situations. Russia is just too venal and greedy.
mafketis
1 Apr 2018  #100

what's left of Russia is

A kleptocracy with a single source of income - crude resource extraction (the profits of which are stolen by oligarchs).

Ukrainians have learned that united they can topple a dictator (which Poles learned in 1989 if not earlier) and which Russians are still unable to do. Russians = slave mentality.
SigSauer
1 Apr 2018  #101

Russians are willing to endure falling wages and quality of life as long as they're told that they're an 'important nation' and a 'global power.' Why they have such a lust for power and domination is beyond me, but apparently thats a priority over ya know, food.
jon357
1 Apr 2018  #102

As a certain person (much liked in Poland) once said in a speech at Kensington Town Hall, "Russians put guns before butter; we however put just about anything before guns".
Slavictor
1 Apr 2018  #103

Let's let another Pole talk of the situation:
voiceofpeopletoday.com/polish-politician-unlike-cia-russia-no-reason-kill-skripal/

Maybe contact him directly for an argument.

JKM also states to the UK; "provide evidence or apologize" and that killing Skripal in this manner does not benefit Russia. "Britain's allies are blindly following the principle of Euro-Atlantic unity at the expense of common sense". This Skripal incedent does come at a time where it would obscure facts that Britain has knuckled under to Brussels demands and for Theresa May to appear strong by standing against Russia in order to garner support (i.e. votes and funding). This is Operation Gladio type deception. Textbook. The technique works because the masses fall for it.
jon357
1 Apr 2018  #104

Let's let

Korwin-Mikke???

The guy who stabbed himself in a restaurant toilet and blamed it on a mystery Chinese assassin (who interestingly must have been an invisible one). Perhaps he should stick to commenting on that.

to Brussels demands and for Theresa May to appear strong

The guy really is insane.
Velund
1 Apr 2018  #105

Well... I see that some people live in a different layer of reality.

In this layer of reality, "single source of income - crude resource extraction" represent about 40% of russian income, you have to learn yourself where is another 60%. Concerning "guns before butter" - definitely, Europe should value butter much higher than guns. Guns is not allowed for average citizens, but butter can be used as a lubricant, once muslims will come to their homes. ;)

And concerning "slave mentality" - one strange thing. Any ruler that come to own them ended very bad and very soon, from Mnisheks to Hitler. At the same time, tsars they elect rule for centuries. Something wrong there... Maybe this is another layer of democracy? ;)
jon357
1 Apr 2018  #106

I see that some people live in a different layer of reality.

Yes, you do. One in which Putin threatens to kill his countrymen who have fled to Europe, does exactly that (and not for the first time) several weeks later, and you pretend it was almost anybody else.
Slavictor
2 Apr 2018  #107

Perhaps he should stick to commenting on that.

He's colourful. This does not mean he's incorrect. Ad hominem doesn't work on truth.
Slavictor
4 Apr 2018  #108

Burden of proofs is on accuser. Period.

Correct.

I doubt proof of anything matters much to Russians.

Rationale, law, decency, protocol are not harboured by the minds of this frame-up - the same minds who will do anything to conduct a Nuclear First strike against Russia as per their own documents. Demonization campaigns must be created or events massaged beforehand to produce sufficient percieved cause for this action. It will be interesting to see what's fabricated next in the smear campaign. Perhaps they'll hire the screenwriters from the film "Wag the Dog" to craft another story.

But, it seems Porton Down's own scientists can not link Russia to the source of this supposed poison.

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/salisbury-poisoning-russia-novichok-nerve-agent-porton-down-proof-evidence-mod-latest-a8286761.html

And, being accused of something it had nothing to do with, naturally Russia wants some questions answered by the UK and France. Will they answer?

rt.com/news/422871-russia-questions-uk-skripal-case

The guy really is insane

So is this Finnish guy:

sputniknews.com/europe/201803301063083551-skripals-attack-russians-finnish-mp
Slavictor
12 Apr 2018  #109

UK Ambassador Craig Murray:

The man now has more to say on his own web page.

craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/government-propaganda-now-totally-bizarre

"The increasing desperation of government attempts to "prove" the Russians responsible for the Skripal attack has become increasingly bizarre."

When was the last time the Brexit stall was headlined in the news.
peterweg
14 Apr 2018  #110

bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43762251

Over a hundred missiles fired, Russian defenses once again ineffective.

I wonder how that will go down to the citizens of Russia.
Velund
14 Apr 2018  #111

Pretty easy. No missiles entered to zone of responsibility of air defense systems of russian bases. Only syrians shot what they had on hand on the missiles route, but capacity was too limited to counter such massive attack.
peterweg
14 Apr 2018  #112

So is this Finnish guy:

Some very pro-Russians in Finland. They are a little bit crazy..
Velund
14 Apr 2018  #113

Curious, how about $300 million spent to kill three syrian civilians (as reported at 04:32 UT today) will be explained to US, French and British taxpayers. Especially if OPCW experts will not find anything (I hope that $300 mln was not spent just to give them excuse to run away before they start investigation).
peterweg
14 Apr 2018  #114

Curious, how about $300 million

To an impoverished nation like Russia, thats a significant number. To the West its nothing.

120 missiles (max price $1million) is about 0.5% of the West's missile fleet, but 50% of Russia's fleet.

OPCW experts will not find anything

Already found confirmation, 50 other cases mean that this is just further confirmation of what we already know.
Velund
14 Apr 2018  #115

50 other cases

50 cases of what? The same not investigated reports of "white helmets" or even "observatory"?

This time OPCW experts just come to Duma and should start this morning, but strike was made before start of investigation. Last time OPCW simply refused to send their experts.
Slavictor
14 Apr 2018  #116

White Helmets, at your service. As real as a $3 Bill.

clarityofsignal.com/2017/02/27/massive-white-helmets-photo-cache-proves-hollywood-gave-oscar-to-terrorist-group
Ironside
14 Apr 2018  #117

White Helmets,

they're a joke. some shady people/ intelligence operatives selling BS to their paymasters.
Velund
14 Apr 2018  #118

The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said. The toxin was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.

Big quote cropped
Ironside
14 Apr 2018  #119

The substance

Who cares? Allegedly Someone lied/framed Russia. Well, this time Russia is on a receiving end. Cary me a river. That is a standard of the Russian foreign policy. Russia being cut to size - good.
NotaBene
14 Apr 2018  #120

What happened as a result of all that alleged poisoning story was the rebirth of Soviet political jokes. This time jokes are not directed against the government in Moscow but against the government in America and in Britain:

There is a joke making the rounds in Russia. You know, Yulia Skripal is questioned by the British police, if she noticed anything weird before coming to the UK (we know the Sun version that the poison was in the buckwheat that was brought to Sergei Skripal on his order from Russia). So the police asked Yulia: did you notice anything weird? She answered: nothing special, just when I went to buy this buckwheat in the nearby store there was Putin in person selling it to me behind the counter - that was the only thing that was kind of strange.

Another Joke: Theresa May is reported by the Sun to be raped in London. The news is brought to Putin who in this regard have only one doubt: is he the only suspect or are they rather accusing the whole of Russia.

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